Just wake me up in May and tell me how it ended.
I don’t think I can take much more.
The soft defending, the constant inability to turn possession into goals and refereeing decisions that boggle the mind.
Wolves have nobody but themselves to blame for the loss, taken apart after a slow start to both halves and some of the weakest defending I’ve ever seen from Jonny.
He then started and ended the comeback with a superb goal and a wild tackle, underlining the point that a player who used to be one of our most consistent performers is now the polar opposite.
You can put Podence in the same file. Capable of brilliance, but so rage-inducing in his limp incompetence for the majority of the time he can no longer be tolerated. When you need players to stand up and be counted, he spends half the time falling over with his hands on his face. He was seismically bad today.
It might have all been different had Semedo been awarded a penalty in the first half for what looked like a clear foul from where I was sitting.
Having not got that decision Wolves stepped it up and actually played some forward passes and got balls into dangerous areas, albeit with shots ending everywhere but the goal.
That made the second half collapse that followed somewhat surprising, but proved that when Craig Dawson isn’t on the pitch this group really suffer.
That there was even a chance to salvage a point from there is to their credit but after Jonny’s dismissal the momentum was lost and the farcical decision not to award a foul on Traore for their fourth goal followed by Matheus Nunes getting a red card without stepping foot on the pitch just set the seal on a miserable afternoon.
With two weeks to lick our wounds I really hope Julen Lopetegui is able to communicate the many unacceptable aspects of this performance and find some solutions.
He’s ringing the changes every week around a core group of about five or six players, which says to me he has little to no faith in many of the others. That’s a worry.
We can hope for more luck with the decisions but must look closer to home for the reasons we’ve lost the last two.
Absolutely speechless, it’s like the premiere saying to us this is our league you ain’t invited we’ll do what we want, what you going to do about it,had a bloody nuff not much point in getting up at stupid o’clock (nz) to watch it anymore the result is getting to be a forgone conclusion,the Aussie A-league is looking bloody marvellous at the moment no stress
Stay with PN … 4am to watch that is a great , but unrewarding effort…
They say it’s gets worse before it gets better .. we must be on the up soon …
its simple really.
We are a poor, poor prem team – and do not deserve to survive if we do.
Its just the reality of it.
Johnny otto – should not play again. He was never ever any good in reality,
Max Kilman is half the player without Connor coady.
Ruben neves cannot carry us week in week out – its a joke
VAR is never going to change. Its a joke and has completely ruined football – and I mean it has completely ruined football – “lets bring in technology so we can improve things – BUT, BUT – This technology needs a Humans input” so the technology is void, might as well be watching on a dodgy stick from home and phoning in the decisions to the ON FIELD REF. Joke . So i am completely done.
I cannot do this shit anymore, I want my weekends back
Talk about some pretty awful business for 350million.
2 goals between our new signings. Just LOL
I really had high hopes for Nunes – Lets hope Liverpool are stupid enough to take him off our books.
Bruno started the downfall and it was allowed to happen, JLO cannot save a sinking ship.
“WORLD CLASS MANAGER, MAKES DECISIONS WHEN THERE IMPORTANT”
only needs to make those decisions because of the mess he puts us in with his Starting 11 being different every fucking week – good result or not.
He is a moron
An utter embarrassment. Individual errors all over the pitch. Neves probably the only one who can come out with credit, he was brilliant. Shame what he was surrounded by today.
You have to question JL’s sanity that he continues to select Jonny. He doesn’t deserve his Molineux career to end this way and he’s so clearly out of his depth it’s sad to see. Despite a nice goal, we were playing with 10 before he was sent off.
Collins and Podence woeful. Sarabia, passive and wasteful, Semedo all over the place. Lamina, for his terrier like work at winning possession, it’s a waste of time if you’re just gonna give it straight back. Poor everywhere today.
Leeds didn’t have to do too much. Cut open like a knife through butter for the first goal and our defending was laughable for the second. The third was just Sunday league stuff.
Can we really claim we would be unfortunate to go down? Home games against Bournemouth and Leeds and we’ve blown them both, this one in spectacular fashion. It’s probably 50/50 whether we stay up or go.
More VAR controversy.
BUT we need to concentrate on the bigger picture. Home losses to Bournemouth and Leeds are disastrous in the context of the current situation. Now 4 points above BOTTOM place.
To quote Corporal Jones “we’re doomed.” Well we are if we carry on like this. And to stick with the analogy of Dad’s Army the Captain Mainwaring of WWFC is Jeff Shi. The great Fosun project started to disintegrate when he managed to gain autocratic control of our football club; mitigation with Sino global politics – maybe, but he couldn’t have made a bigger balls up with his yes men sidekicks like Sellars and now Hobbs if he’d tried. Our transfer strategy over last 3 years has been a disaster orchestrated by Mendes and overseen by a complicit Shi. The list of expensive under achievers brought in is endless and particularly the panic buying of the last few months – which has proved to be disastrous apart from JL’s own non Gestitute low profile (financially) signings – Lemina, Sarabia and Dawson.
No blame should be aimed at Nuno or JL but what came between has completely destroyed what was a beautiful dream which could have become reality If handled competently and professionally by Fosun’s men on the ground.
To my many detractors on this site I take no pleasure in saying I have told you so. This has been a situation developing for 3 years.
Let’s remember the players who gave their all for us – John Ruddy, The Doc. Captain Coady, Big Willy, Cav, Jota, and some still with us Raul, Ruben Neves, Moutinho and Jonny in his day. And compare them with the itinerant mercenaries like Semedo, Podence, Guedes (still with us), Nunes, Cunha, Traore the enigma, Vitinha. Silva??? The heart and soul has evaporated as quickly as it arrived.
Tonight we have yet again lost ground to all bar Bournemouth.
We can only hope that come the end of May there are 3 sides who are even worse than we are but a horrible image of the early eighties is a deja vu which is very haunting – the brief renaissance followed by the fall and the fall and yet another fall. What then – another rebuild? Not much to rebuild on.
We weren’t unlucky today, losing is a habit. And collecting red cards is also becoming a very bad habit.
Just hope JL can get enough of a tune out of this mixture of stars and rag tag and bobtails to stay up.
Footnote – with all that has recently come out from Juve, Barca and what we see with our own eyes every week are we really just wasting our time bothering with what at one time really was “the beautiful game”,
Integrity?
Honesty?
Not any more.
Shame, isn’t it?
Wolves Forever, but it’s hard work!
Shambolic, I’m speechless, these players have no guts, spineless, stop blaming referee, and var, we are in big trouble, will these clowns hang around, if we are relegated, supporting wolves should carry a health warning, wolves aie we.
An excellent post PJB with which few can argue.
It`s thanks to the totally inept Shi and his posse of ‘Yes Men’, that we find ourselves in this dreadful situation; a position which has been entirely predictable for a very long time. Never has the adage “you reap what you sow” been more appropriate
I would suggest that you have far fewer detractors than you perhaps think.
Thanks Mike.
PJB, agree totally you and I have been saying this for the last 3 years. But honestly I never believed in my wildest nightmares it would actually get this bad.
To many non British players at over inflated prices who don’t want to be here in the first place and Dictator in sole control of everything who has squandered the funds on potential ie Siliva instead of proven players. Over reliance on Mendez.
Lack of infurstructure regarding stadium rebuild Carnot even be bothered to build temporary stand which they got planning permission for 12 months ago.
Shi is the soul reason we are in this mess, got rid of those who didn’t agree with his plans and as you said the signs were there and have been for a while just like the last time we slipped out of the Premier League the only difference is Shi has blown the best part of £150 million in the last window.
Welcome back Paul and I of course concur; a bonus from your return is that it should overturn allegations that you and I are alter egos. And yes it does have a frightening similarity to the post 1980 era which saw us make history by 3 successive relegations. I didn’t think it would get this bad either if only because Fosun would want to protect the value of the club.
Forget the dreadful refereeing and the failure yet again to be awarded a stonewall penalty. That corruption, it seems , is a given and is something we`re just going to have to live with. It was not the cause of today`s debacle
We lost today for two fundamental reasons. Firstly, after some three years of knowing the problem we have still not found any solution to our major issue of how to turn decent approach play with lots of possssion into goals. And without scoring goals we cannot win games.
Team selection appears to be a significant issue in that there is little consistency. How can we hope to score when we play with one up front, particularly when one of the supporting attackers on the flanks is the lightweight very mediocre Podence ? Why are we paying forty plus millions for Cunha only to leave him on the bench giving him no opportunity to develop a relationship with Jiminez ?
Secondly we lost because we simply cannot defend consistently. Samedo was far too easily skint for the Leeds first goal, whilst goals two and three resulted from what can only be described Sunday League standard — or even worse !! Even more damning is the fact that we were playing Leeds, a really poor team with very limited attacking threat, yet somehow we made them look outstanding. As Thomas has remarked, it is the case that without Dawson on the field our defense is a rag tag group of individuals devoid or leadership or organization.
Quite where we go from here I have no idea. Given our continued failure to solve the lack of striking prowess, it seems to me that our best hope of survival will be to concentrate on defensive organization, and hoping that a few goals here and there will enable us to garner enough points to stay ahead of three of the dross below us.
If we are lucky enough to survive, it is surely necessary that the summer sees a massive clear out of the mediocrity which presently dominates our squad. A new start is urgently required.
Think we better get ready to be going back down to wilderness after today,
1 we can’t defend, all goals were badly defended
2 although we scored 2 we still have no luck in front of goal
3 crap referees who give us nothing,(stone wall penalty first half that any other team would have got) commentator couldn’t believe why var was asleep
4 var again goes against us again by not sending ref to look at penalty,, and when he does for foul later on Traore he rule against var and that only happen very rarely in other cases
Seems like the football gods are against us ,2 more players unavailable for next 3 matches plus those on the injury list and Ruben 1 yellow card from suspension
We played well today and coming back from 3 nil down they show some fighting spirit ,but just when it look like we were going to equalise J lop takes Nevis off and then Johnny is sent off ,maybe he was saving him for the Forest game from getting suspended from the way the ref was chucking yellow cards around but I think it was a mistake and maybe the result would have been different
Our last 3 games could be the killer, manure away unlikely to get anything there
Everton no pushover and we always seem to be on the wrong end of a 6 pointer
Arsenal away last game don’t give us any chance there if we need the points
So we got to get the points to survive in the next 7 games ,hope I’m wrong and there are 3 teams worse than us in May but they are all picking up points as we seem to be going backwards
COME ON J LOP now’s the time to show us your skills and get those points because we ain’t going to get any luck or favours from Var and referees
I need a drink ? or 3
We were shambolic today ..… we’re carrying too many passengers in Semedo, Podence, Jonny and Jiminez that it’s like pushing water uphill.
I begin to think that we lose the plot and concentration now over stupid refereeing decisions… and today’s official was a 1/10 … yes shocking weak and out of control.
We’re certainly given nothing with VAR either with goal number 4 the icing on the corruption cake VAR brings to our doorstep. That was a million % shirt pull on Traore .. end of … it’s hardly surprising it kicked off after that, when no official saw any wrong doing … ???? How ??
Problem for us is that this VAR joke is having a knock back effect.
Sad bit is that Leeds weren’t exactly Champions league standard.. far far from it ..
The league table hasn’t been decided yet but I’ve thing is a definite.. we only want players in the pitch with steel and determination not pussy footers like Podence or Semedo near the pitch ..
LT
2 very salient points in your post.
1. We can’t keep blaming all our ills on officials despite the bad calls.
2. Spot on re too many passengers. Would go so far as to say that other than Sa. Dawson. Kilman, Neves, JL’s own imports and Neto (when fit) the rest are out for a weekend stroll.
Whilst we have to take account for our own faults… I thought about it earlier re’ us complaining about the officials bringing a spotlight on us, possibly causing the refs to have a bias against us, but we’re only complaining about it due to the inadequacies of said refs…. if they’d performed as they should, we wouldn’t be complaining about them and we’d be in a much better position…
Agree with Thomas at least we created many chances today which is good. Unlike v Bournemouth when we created nothing. We are still in a much better position than we were on Boxing Day morning. Dust ourselves down. Go again. As for the referee/VAR. Don’t get me going. I’ve had a few beers. Best quit now.
No points for chances created Cheeseburger.
No. But we at least created some. Instead of me sitting there in the usual borefest.
COD
To tell you the truth I’m happy to bored to sleep as long as we stay up and give JL the chance to go again. I think we are at a pivotal point in our history because “the big 6” are rocking. That’s why the squandered opportunities over the last couple of years are such a waste.
Accept all that mate. I also accept critcism of the team. What I don’t accept is being continually being screwed over by VAR. If you get 10 big 50 50 decisions you may think that 5 of them may go in your favour. When all 10 go against you it’s a problem. It’s fine margins in our position. Newcastle today. 0 points. Fair refereeing and 2 points.
Leaving aside the dreadful referee and VAR decisions yet again, we only have ourselves to blame for that woeful performance. Worse than the Bournemouth game. The first three goals were down to defensive errors but yet again we don’t create enough clear cut chances up front. We gifted the second and third goals to Leeds. Only Neves comes out of that game with any credit. The only bright point is that most of the teams around us are not winning either.
FFS !
why don’t we go and get Fabio Silva back ? … surely he can t do any worse than no goals !
his season long loan deal was with Anderlecht
He’s not old enough is he?
Just seen the Southampton penalty v Spurs. Do we get that one ? They also benefited from a VAR call at Man Utd when Casemeiro yellow went red. So as I argued above. Fine lines. They have got 2 extra points. We have got 2 less.
Hopefully we don’t have to worry about what happens in Southampton. 1 lv
Incredible day for Jonny, who managed to have a hand in 5 goals. Unfortunately, 4 of them were for the opposition.
And RAN was left out for tactical reasons?!?
Wot a shocker.
Thanks, Thomas, for picking the bones out of that smorgasbord of controversy and stinking pickled herring. Or ‘a very entertaining game’ for the neutral.
We were lucky to be in it at all after going 3-0 down, but then the farce turned up to 11 for the end of the match. We gave it a go, shruggs.
6x red cards makes us the bandits of the division. Nunes managed to get one from the bench. How is this even possible?? We must have upset a Coven of Refs along the way, ‘cos we ain’t gettin’ nowt.
We are going to enjoy another exciting end to the season, though we aren’t going to have the luxury of any ‘beach days’ as previous, because we haven’t got enough points. J-Lo is going to have 2 weeks of combat training before Forest, to get the lads armoured up for the next 10 games. All hands to the pumps. keep the faith.
1 lv & COYW
Well it’s all been said but it was certainly an eventful and absorbing game- so many talking points and incidents. You could say we got our moneys worth and in our case, a right royal soaking in the Graham Hughes stand plus missed two of the goals as people stood up.
The Leeds goal seemed to have a charmed life and this together with a poor final pass and limp finishing left us with the usual frustrations.
That said, we can whinge about the officials, VAR and past acquisitions policy until we are blue in the face but only hard work and commitment will keep us in the league. It ain’t over until the fat lady sings so Jlop must analyse what we did badly, stay motivated and go again. We can all have our own view regarding lineup and tactics but self pity and looking for scapegoats will only take us down. Molineux very quiet first half, we have to do our part too.
9 yellow and 2 red cards… what can I say?
RFU referees, when compared with many of the Football League referees, make their football counterparts look like incompetent petulant children.
RFU matches are SO much better refereed.
That said, we can’t entirely blame crappy referees for our current predicament.
We are just not looking good enough to survive this relegation battle when we chuck away home games the way we do.
Now what?
Never mind chaps and chapesses. These things even out over a season.
So they say.
I am not arguing Jonny was not a red card. But I have seen THREE similar challenges against us given as yellow/nothing this season. No VAR involvement. Newcastle at home. Southampton at home. Palace away. All i ask is consistency. Either VAR intervenes in ALL cases or it DOES NOT. Either VAR intervenes in ALL penalty decisions or it DOES NOT. It really makes me very angry when one week it gets involved (usually us) and the next week it doesn’t. FOR THE SAME THING. Why does VAR spend 5 minutes drawing lines in our offsides when next week a similar contenscious looking offside it does nothing. WHY? Consistency please.
In the pre-match comments I stayed that if VAR is not corrupt and against us, the we are definitely due a favorable VAR decision due to the law of probabilities!
Hhhhmmmmmnnnn! Another two decisions that go against us! In other matches similar decisions are given! Hhhhhmmmmmnnn! I wonder?
I smell a rat!!
Sorry don’t buy this conspiracy nonsense against Wolves. It is down to poor refereeing (shocking performance yesterday) and l have never liked VAR which is often a joke.
I am starting to look at JL here. My concerns are
1. We don’t look like scoring Jimenez is isolated playing as a lone striker. Why isn’t Cuhna playing alongside him?
2. Constantly rotating the team and often changing formations. Pick your best 11 and get used to playing predominately 1 system.
3. Stop whinging about every decision (other teams do it be we are worse than most). A bit more focus might help. Neves has been brilliant this season but is now being managed (subbed twice in key moments last 2 games) to stop him picking up a 10th yellow. How many yellows for dissent?
I agree with comments about picking grafters, not that we have 11 of them. Missed Hwang and Bueno yesterday. Defence fell to pieces without Dawson why was he taken off?
Sorry rant over, just hate losing to Leeds! Their time wasting tactics were embarrassing.
Still think we will stay up but may now come down to penultimate game against Everton.
God it was hard enough watching yesterday!!
Another interesting stat. Why have Wolves had twice as many red cards given against us compared to everyone else. 17 of 20 clubs have had 2 or less. And six clubs have had none at all. We have had 6. Blimey. We are not even a dirty side. So why ? …….. just putting it out there
Yes while I’d agree the “Gods” in Stockley Park seem dead against us, and refs piss poor, the problem yesterday was us! Poor defending as a team for all goals, where was Neto when the Leeds wing back crossed for Leeds’s opener? Samedo is left exposed time and time again, and that’s exactly where teams attack.
Our finishing defies anything reason can bring to the table. Either they freeze or a magic spell is cast down and they momentarily forget that the objective is putting the ball in the back of the net.
Survival in the Premier league is just about in our own hands. But we have to have a team of 11 fighters not just 2, Neves and Kilman were exemplary yesterday. But the others? We need to defend as a team much better. Our full backs need help down the flanks to stop us being so open. In attack, Lopetegui needs to pick a regular three because the endless permutations he is using at the moment is sending us down.
We should be out of the woods now but home losses v Leeds and Bournemouth mean survival is looking very tricky indeed.
Lopetegui can’t pick a regular front three when all our forwards are out of form apart from Traore and surely it’s obvious to all and sundry that he’s much more effective when coming on for the last 30-45 minutes.
I said at the beginning of the season we would be relegated and despite the brief upturn post JL’s appointment we are now returning to type with four points in the last 6 games. The seeds sown by the incompetence of Jeff Shi and our woeful recruitment are being reaped. We carry little attacking threat and our finishing is some of the poorest I can remember in a wolves side, even when we had really poor teams. Lopetegui is a competent manager with a decent track record but he has too many players who are not prepared to play with intensity, are well past their best or have the deluded arrogance to think they are better than they actually are. Yesterday, was another moment of truth test woefully failed. Forest is a must win but I expect nothing from this team that consistently bottles it when the pressure is on.
I don’t know if any bloggers are old enough to remember the legendary Brian Rix comic farces.
Well, apart from somebody’s trousers falling down, we witnessed one yesterday.
A complete shambles from start to finish.
Yep. I remember them.
So, we need a belt and braces approach to avoid disaster.
Thomas started off by saying ‘wake me up in May when it’s all over”. Well here is the latest PPG after the weekend games. Still showing the safety line as 35/36 points. If I am optimistic and use the current PPG under J Lo which is around 1.31 points per game ( 17 from 13) then we might just be safe at the end of game 37. We would be on 38/39 points at that stage. Those around the bottom 3 would be on 34/35 or less. So going in to the final game at Arsenal no one could catch us. Of course if we chug along at the overall season long PPG we would not be safe going in to the Arsenal game but would be just above the bottom 3. So the key is to match at least what we have achieved under J Lo and we might avoid extreme stress on the last day. Anything less and it will be hide behind the sofa time and pray.
CoD, our last home game before arsenal, is Everton. Would you back our team of bottlers against a fired up Dyche team? We effectively have 8 games to get 4 wins I.e we have to win every other game from here on in until the final two. We have been winning 1 in 4 all season. Still a lot to play for but this team is shot, and regrettably we will go down unless they can be miraculously galvanised. I just dont see true grit in any of them bar 3 or 4 and we can’t score goals anywhere near the volume required.
Unfortunately, Cheesey, average PPG for the last 5 (total of 4pts) is 0.8
That equates to 8pts from the last 10 . . . . . 35 points in total.
With 5 of the remaining games to be played at home, we really should be able to find enough points to survive but on yesterday’s performance it’s not looking good.
If we do go down, do you think Burnley would take Collins back?
Yes. That average of 0.8 did cross my mind after I posted. And of course you are right. Keep that up over last 10 and we are in serious trouble. The PPG is just an indicator. Of course after every set of games it can go up (as is the current trend which is bad for us) or down if the bottom 3 have disatorous results. For us we are on knife edge. If we lost the next 3 on a row for example we are in serious troble. I did note a tweet from Mikey Burrows where he said our XG (whatever that is!) For goals increased to 2.35 yesterday as compared to 0.5 previous. His argument is this is progress. But we still couldn’t put the ball in the net when it mattered and the defending was a disaster! Still. Two weeks until the next match. Lots to work on .
Cheeseburger,
Statisticians use 3 metrics to assess the quality of a performance. Adjusted Goals, Shot based xG, and, Non-shot xG
Adjusted Goals quantitifies the quality of each goal scored.
Shot based xG is expected goals. That is, it’s an assessment of the attempt on goal and whether it should really have resulted in a goal even if it didn’t.
Non-shot xG puts a value on possession and judges how many goals should have been scored given the quality of possession.
Yesterday, these were the stats:
Adjusted goals Wolves 2.1 Leeds 3.6
Shot-based xG Wolves 3.1 Leeds 1.7
Non-shot xG Wolves 2.0 Leeds 0.9
Basically, our 2 goals were a better than Leeds’ and we should have scored slightly more than 2 and Leeds less than 4; we should have scored more than Leeds from our chances; and, possession-wise, Leeds were hardly in the game and should have lost 2-1.
In layman’s terms, Leeds were jammy!!!!
Take Collins back !!!! You`ve got to be joking. We`d have to pay THEM a few million to take him off our hands. The guy`s nothing more than an embarrassment. A permanent disaster waiting to happen who, as a bonus has the unique ability to cause absolute panic in all who play around him
During Shi`s period of gross mismanagement we`ve blewed many a million on over-rated dross. But 20 million for a guy warming the bench for most of last season when his team were absolutely dire defensively and facing almost certain relegation must be right up there with the massive overpayment for the boy wonder, Silva.
At Molineux the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Giles is playing out of his skin for Boro two assists yesterday.
One man and one man only is responsible for this mess….Mr Shi.
I’m beginning to think the worsted how can we be so poor in both boxes, I’ll tell you why poor recruitment and a unbalalance squad to many midfield players.
Shambles absolute shambles we have sleep walked into this mess lack of investment over the last 3 seasons and a policy of buying non British players because they are supposed to be to expensive then we go and plasm £150 plus million on mostly non British players Dawson is the only British player we have brought in apart from a back up keeper from Bristol City in the last what……3 years or more.
I’m not convinced by the manager either……..has he the balls to sort theses players out.
In his defence these aren’t his players including most of the ones that came in January most were earmarked before he came in.
It could only happen to Wolves…!
The referee and VAR controversy rages on and I do agree that it seems we are on the rough end far too often. However I don’t believe in a massive conspiracy but I’m sure the odd brown paper envelope slides under the odd door now and then. But has it not always been thus? Wolves v Leeds (8th May 1972) – the enquiry went on for 16 years and Mike O’Grady (then at Leeds and later joined us) admitted that all sorts of illegal shenanigans were taking place both before and during the match.
But as virtually everyone has acknowledged this is a mess of our own making. Quality is not what is lacking in this squad – the problem is sheer lack of guts, effort and bottle mainly in the Iberian contingent many of whom make it clear week in week out from their body language and lack of enthusiasm that they don’t want to be here. You all know which ones I’m talking about.
Matheus Nunes’ protests at Leeds’ fourth goal, and subsequent red card, would suggest HE has quite a bit more passion for club than you care to admit.
Maybe. However, it is unfortunate that we have not seen that passion on the field.
Sorry Kendal. Missed your post. Great minds!
True but isn’t it a pity that he hasn’t shown anywhere near that amount of passion where it’s needed most? On the pitch.
I havent commented for a long time due to a complete lack of interest in premier football brought about by an unshakable belief in what i think is complete corruption from top to bottom from all aspects of the ruling bodies and referees.
It is now starting to be mentioned elsewhere that our problems with some of the worst of decisions may be because we have Chinese owners in fact the only Chinese owners in the premier league.
This is not born from any concrete evidence of course it isnt but only what i see with my own two eyes and some of the most bizarre decisions ever made.
Theres only so much one can take and jlo it seems has had enough as well as me .
I am convinced there is a vendetta against Wolverhampton Wanderers and when i ask myself why ? the only conclusion i can come to is that we are owned by a company from a country which is quickly becoming as much of a pariah in the world as evil Russia.
Its ok to be owned by Arab oil money countries whos whole basis of business ethics is based on bribery but not by Chinese companies who perhaps dont grease enough palms.
In fact that probably is one of the problems but there again ..no proof..or do i need it ?
I dont think i do as i repeat i can see THEY have it in for us with my own two eyes i dont personally need any more proof than what i am seeing and the players and manager are now believing that as well.
Will we be relegated ?? if the powers that be have their way yes but hopefully not .
it will be close as when your not playing well you need a bit of luck and when that luck is taken away by some biased paid off ass wipe in an ivory tower who cant be questioned its so much more difficult.
Jlo has to harness this bias now and turn it back on the cheats make us into gladiators because it wont be silky skill full football that gets us out of this contrived mess it will be a backs to the wall no holes barred punch up to the end.
Any Arabs who about fancy buying a football club ?????
All this talk of conspiracy can’t disguise the fact that we have been unable to convert the simplest of chances for close-on 3 years.
That’s because we have brought a decent striker in 3 years……..plenty of average ones and a wonder kid……Jeff’s pet project…….what’s he worth now he’s set the Belguim And Dutch League alight………got to be a BILLION Jeff ?
You don’t really know that because we’ve only seen about 30 minutes of one of them.
There goals record says it all…..nearly all haven’t got past 10 gaols when we brought them……the lad that got injured had managed 12 in the previous season…..£15 million we spent on him I’d say his record was average and the price we paid above average.
Agree absolutely with your post Spikey. The referees aren’t incompetent. They are simply carrying out their instructions from above. Instructions which, I suspect, emanate from shadowy figures at the heart of government.
I fear we should be preparing ourselves for disappointment come season’s end. They won’t stop until the job is finished.
Times like these test even the most ardent of supporters.
It seems that whether you look back over the last match, the last week, month, year, decade or longer, we truly are experiencing a roller coaster ride’s worth of twists, turns and emotions. Soaring one minute, plummeting the next.
But we are still in the Premier League.
Here’s an indisputable fact. Mid March. 4 points separate 9 teams at the bottom.
It is almost certain that 3 of those 9 are going down. One of the 9 is us. Villa in 11th are safe.
If it is to be us, it will be more about the decisions made at the club over recent seasons that lead us to this point now. Poor leadership from the top and multiple mistakes in player and coaching recruitment.
More about that than what is becoming a constant string of examples of dreadful officiating where we appear to be on the wrong end. 2 more examples yesterday.
If we are to be in the Championship next season, it will be no one’s fault but ours.
Whilst much of the optimism that was around a few weeks ago has dissipated, our destiny is still completely in our own hands.
If any single Wolves player were under the illusion that we aren’t fighting for survival in this league, that needs to be ripped from their thoughts now.
What is required for the final 10 games ? JL to have every single Wolves player and employee laser focused on one thing. Winning games, no matter what it takes.
And us supporters. We need to support.
UTW
Lopetegui blamed the referees.
Quite rightly. If you think that 3 Howard Webb apologies for shit decisions against us in 6 or 7 weeks is not significant then you are deluded. Unprecedented in the PL. I remember one apology to Fat Frank at Everton. That’s about it.
Whether we are in the Premier League or the Championship next season one thing has to happen and that is FOSUN have to replace Shi and his yes men otherwise we are never going to progress.
90% of what im reading in nz is Leeds Leeds Leeds how it was about time they got the rub of the green, how bad Jonny’s tackle was etc
Got a feeling we’ve got no friends anywhere
Wolves No Mates eh!
Fuck em !
Take a leaf out of Millwall s book
I wash my hands of premier league football it is corrupt from top to bottom and i dont want or need the stress i have put up with for many years even though i loved most of it .
But this bullshit has now become so bloody obvious and so bloody tedious my interest has faded to such a state that i dont even bother looking at the football results anymore.
It just isnt real its so blighted by huge money huge wages huge egos its almost surreal and subtly manipulated by the powers that be and we are meant to swallow it because its inbred in our dna and they know it .
I am broken with it and as much as love sport i will look elsewhere for that entertainment .
Born and bred in Wolverhampton and after years and years of utter dedication I
resign.
ADIOS
Strong and brave words Spikeyboy.
I suspect that there are many who feel as you do.
I’m born and bred in Wolverhampton half a mile from Molineux.
I have not reached your stage of action , perhaps I never will, but I
can understand how you feel.
As with much in life today, money rules.
To remain as a fan is to recognise that there is nothing we can do to change it all.
As a 78 year old, this is a very different game from the one I watched late 50s, 60s
and 70’s.
Anyway, good luck to you Spikey in the future.
Bit younger than you Kendal but similar vintage. What would the likes of Billy Wright, Jimmy Greaves, Denis Law, Bobby Moore et al make of the Sky/ Premier League circus and a World Cup in Qatar. I have been privileged to meet quite a few of the old school over the years and they were all just ordinary guys. Rock on Ronaldo and all the mega millionaire stars but they were better days and we also had some fantastic music to enjoy including the offerings of our very own Robert Plant and Zep.
“Those Were The Days” indeed
One thought though – would the Eddies Clamp and Stuart have survived for a single season in this day of red cards and VAR?
Sometimes best to let nostalgia rule.
Nostalgia is not what it used to be.
Come on Spikey. WOLVES AY WE. FUCK EM. Get your mojo back lad. OODCL.
Stay with us Spikeyboy…
We are all suffering.. well most of us.. and I totally agree that it’s tough to bear…
That said , I battled through the the barren years of consecutive relegations.. then the Bhattis ruinous regime.. the near end of the club when the milkman put the Wolves FC on the stop list..
And now we’re in another undercurrent of shit refs and disbelieving and indefensible decisions .. BUT … my love for Wolves still remains … just about right now .. but I’m happy to support them through to a conclusion…
Come along to your second bloggers bash when we play Everton … I look fwd to it ..
Agree with everything you said same emotions but it doesn’t last ,I find myself still getting out of bed (nz) at 3/4 am hoping things will change, but we’ve never been flavour of the month especially with the press it’s are burden to bare for leading dodgy past lives
Be nice if the non top 6 could get together in some sort of collective protest, problem is the powers to be would just say is that all you got
West Ham, Bournemouth, Everton and Leeds. Fulham’s next four games after today’s implosion. Mitrovic is likely to miss all four and Willian will miss three. Just what we need!
Willian will only miss one game so Fulham should be still be able to beat any of those.
Besides, we shouldn’t be relying on other teams losing. All we have to do is win more points than any three of the eight teams around us.
Winning our five remaining home games should do the job.
Lovely to see VAR/REF consistency applied to Fulham at Man U today. Two weeks ago Bruno Fernandez pushes the linesman at Liverpool. Resulting in NOTHING from the Ref/VAR. Not a dickie bird. Zilch. Today Mitrovich does exactly the same to the Ref. Imagine my surprise when Man Utd get ‘lucky’ with a red card given to help them through. And Mitro is sent off. ALL I WANT IS CONSISTENCY.
And what we see is consistent inconsistency.
Much as I dislike Fernandez, you can’t seriously compare the two incidents. Mitrovic’s actions were much more aggressive and continued for many seconds whilst Fernandez’s push was complete handbags by comparison.
Another Anti Wolves comment. Attempting to defend that but not the deluge of seriously rubbish decisions against us.
Howard Webb apolgised 3 times you know. Or have you not noticed ?
And that gained us how many points? Apologies are worthless COD specially from a lightweight with no teeth.
True PJB mate. Sadly we can’t get points back for the injustice. Being picked up on in national media now.
Have just read that we are to appeal BOTH red cards. Well it’s not easy to disentangle the melee involving Nunes (pity he can’t get so aeriated when he is actually playing though). As for Jonny. Appeal? Really? Dream on!
No chance with Jonny. With Nunes a comment from the assistant linesman inflamed the situation. Wonder if it is true? If so what the official said ? It may just add fuel to the fire of corrupt officials ??
Just again seen the Southampton ‘penalty’ in injury time v Spurs. There is no way on God’s earth that is given to us. No way. We don’t get nailed on penalties. Let alone soft ones. JOKE.
Right. I am signing off now. But I am making an appeal as I go. As much as we may feel aggreived by decisions/the performance of the team or both. What we need to do now is come together. We have only one team that we love. So let’s stuff fucking Stockley Park. Stuff the referees. Stuff VAR. We can do this without them. J Lo. The team. WOLVES. The fans.We are as one . United together. Come on. Lets go to Forest and fight like we really are the Boys from the Black Country. Fuck VAR. Fuck Stockley Park. WOLVES AY WE !!
Great sentiment COD, The only question I would raise is whether some of our more recent recruits have either the bottle or the desire to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in; the limitations of signing too many “super mercenaries” through a “super agent”?
And if they won’t JL needs to select those who will, ie those who want to be here – like Connor Coady, Romain Saiss and John Ruddy did.
Dug out 5 wins so far under J Lo. Everton away. Massive game. Got the win. Wham home. Massive 6 pointer. Won 1-0. Saints away. Massive 6 pointer. Down 10 men. Got the win. Don’t say we are bottlers.
I find myself increasingly persuaded that some of our recent Iberian contingent neither have the resolve to fight for survival or understanding of what our situation means for the fans. I believe that some players, influenced by Mendes, see Wolves FC as a stepping stone to get signed by a
big six club. Strolling about in the sunshine of Portugal or Spain, is very different from Newcastle on a cold dank afternoon. The expectation of the need to retrieve the ball after surrendering it seems alien to the DNA.
There seems to be an assumption that if a player comes from Iberia, he must be able to fit in to the English game. Of course, some are very successful.
But we , lately, seem to have made poor purchases. Guedes could not cope and wanted out. In spite of the hype, Nunes has only shown glimpses of ability and has generally been underwhelming. I read that in spite of this, Liverpool are frequently linked with buying him at a knock down price.
If I was cynical, I might be forgiven that his recent touchline unrestrained behaviour was not about , as some suggest, misplaced passion , but rather
His wish to avoid a bitter dog fight before the season ends and he swings into Liverpool for half of what we paid. Our two current wing backs, in spite of their international experiences are weak. Clearly, Semedo does not understand his defensive duties or is being poorly coached.
When he does advance, on reaching the final third, he invariably checks, passes back and the ball ends up at Asda. That’s Asda Price.
Much has already been written about Podence, Neto, Jiminez, Collins, et al and it is so depressing.
And now, Loppy is increasingly under scrutiny, understandably.
Some laugh cynically at Dyche but I would not bet against him getting the best out of his squad in the remaining games.
Whatever the reasons for our situation, and there are several, well rehearsed on this site, now is the time for sheer guts, giving everything for each other and the badge.
And not sitting down , legs akimbo, arms outstretched appealing to the referee when the ball is by now 30 metres away. Or falling down clutching faces for a nonexistent contact. It would also be an enormous plus if players
could try to pass to a gold shirt more often.
So, all we have now is the influence of the coach.
Excellent summary of the current state of play in WV1 Kendal. You have accurately highlighted just about every shortcoming but for me the most serious issue you have described is the dreadful attitude shown by many of the Iberian itinerants. Abject doesn’t get close.
In a post above I referred to the contrast between early doors Mendes vintage signings to the more recent crop.
How would we compare Neves, Cav, Jota. Moutinho, a fit Jonny, Neto and Patricio with the languid, laconic performances of Semedo, Nunes, Traore, Guedes, Podence, Silva, Trincao and Vitinha. Not favourably I think. As you intimate when on the field being paid mega bucks by us their minds often seem to be largely looking towards their next move with a lucrative signing on fee.
An interesting thought here. We know most (all?) of these transfers have been conducted through 25% owned by Fosun Gestitue Agency. But how many transactions are perhaps also being processed by 27% Fosun owned Portuguese bank BCP. Triple whammy for Fosun? Not insubstantial sums when you tot up the hundreds of millions involved in the cumulative deals moving our players around in large numbers. Nice work if you can get it and astute financial dealing by Fosun but is it any wonder we don’t favour the purchase of British players?
A third apology from Howard Webb before this defeat didn’t make a blind bit of difference. We still had two red cards. Mind you, Jonny’s red was clear. Craig Dawson could even have been upgraded from yellow to red. Apologies from Howard Webb won’t stop a team going down either.
Football must take action about dissent. Only captains should be allowed to talk to the referee when a decision is made. Any other players surrounding the referee should be yellow carded. Waving a card at the referee should be a booking. Wolves are no worse nor better than other teams at these practices. They all do it.
You wonder what Wolves team will turn up for matches. We beat Liverpool and Spurs at home when I thought we would lose. Then we go and lose to Bournemouth and Leeds at home when I thought we would win. I’m stumped. I could see that Leeds used a fast and high pressing game along the flanks to freak out our defence. They succeeded, just as Newcastle did. Is it so hard to defend against such tactics?
For what it’s worth, I have no doubt that we will stay up and prosper next season but my nerves can’t take much more in the meantime.
Dreadful defending…
Dodgy decisions
Poxy var
Traore spitting out his dummy instead of getting on with his job..
Leeds scored 4
Painful to watch
Some comical comments on other forums tonight. Like Wolves ‘throw them selves down to the ground too easily’. Like every team we play are all standing on their own 2 feet at every challenge. Laughable. I watched a Leeds player Saturday. Went down like he was machine gunned to death. The physio came on and treated him. He limped to the half way line in a painful fashion. Ref waved him back on and was like Linford fucking Christie as he sprinted back to the pitch.
COD, in me view you are absolutely correct. This behaviour is a major turn off
in “ the modern game”. Falling, screaming at the slightest touch if it occurs in an
advantageous part of the field for a free kick; the clutching of the face where no contact was made; players and coaches surrounding and eye balling referees and their assistants. Let us be clear, it is cheating, and most clubs engage in it to various degrees.
On a slightly different issue, Traore attracts his share of fouls but I am increasingly irritated to see him legs akimbo, arms outstretched looking appealingly at an uninterested referee. When this happened after a shirt tug in the Leeds game, he would have done better to spring up and win back the ball, rather than sitting and complaining whilst the opposition scored.
Perhaps I look on the game I watched in the 50s, 60s and 70s with misplaced nostalgia but I feel that the British game has undergone a massive culture shift
as the game and player pool became global.
And on a final separate issue, I cannot stand the ridiculous goal celebrations we see from grown men.
FIVE big home matches to save our selves from the Tesco derbies to get the points . .Isn’t it about time we move the away supporters from the whole area along the touchline on one side and tuck them away in a far distance corners where they can’t be so influential and vocal in support
It must feel like to their players when they look to that side of the ground ,like their playing at home and perhaps that’s one reason why our home record has been so poor over the years
Most ground hide them in a corner area or up in the gods out of the way
If we survive which looks more and more unlikely with dodgy refs and Var and no luck at all, I would like to see this change made next season (. or by the time we come back up next year we hope )
Beating Liverpool and Spurs is all very nice but not much use if we can’t beat Bournemouth and Leeds.
Only four points now separate the bottom nine teams. There is no team cut adrift, no team that is a cast iron certainty to go down.
But three of these teams will be relegated and our initial JL bounce that has dragged us from 20th to top of the mini league seems to be faltering.
I’ve always said this will go down to the wire and I’m getting nervous.
Post World Cup mini league
1 Wolves P13 17pts (-3gd)
2 Forest P12 13pts (-8gd)
3 Everton P13 12pts (-12gd)
4 Leeds P13 11pts (-5gd)
5 Southampton P13 11pts (-9gd)
6 West H P11 10pts (-5gd)
7 Leicester P12 8pts (-9gd)
8 Crystal P P14 8pts (-13gd)
9 Bournemouth P12 8pts (-15gd)
An interesting read in the Guardian on referees:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/mar/21/inside-world-premier-league-football-referees-pgmol-howard-webb-andre-marriner-darren-england
There’s much to be taken from this article but, for me, the major point is:
If it’s not a top six “golden game”, the referee is going to be a second rater, judged to make too many mistakes by PGMOL.
As if we didn’t know.
FKW? Nah, just a W!!!
Doesn’t really tell us much as it’s from the refs perspective and it’s their integrity and competence most of us are questioning. They get rated from their own ranks, they collect vast amounts of data on themselves, none of which their detractors are allowed to see, they act like a cabal, above scrutiny. The noise is getting too loud now with some unexplainable glaring errors seemingly exposing something more sinister than mere incompetence. Hopefully the Barca trial with blow the lid off this cesspit.
Following on from Spikey’s comments a couple of days ago regarding our Chinese owners and the run of questionable decisions, I feel the evidence is there in plain sight. When we were, put simply, crap, and deservedly heading down, there was no need to cheat us.
Fosun’s mistake however, was to enlist a top quality manager and spend serious money in January. As results improved and we rose steadily up the league, the officials became ever more frantic in their efforts to have us ejected.
No matter how ludicrous the on-field decisions may appear, never mind. Needs will as needs must and, quite obviously Wolves, like Huawei and Tik tok before them,are a threat to national security. Wolves being relegated will, of course, have the added benefit of allowing their favourite clubs to pick up the cream of our squad at cut down prices.
Prepare yourselves for the inevitable disappointment come seasons end my friends. The powers that be, either in football or in government, will not stop now with the job incomplete.
Thanks wolfy i thought i was on my own and i was perhaps seeing things that weren’t really there.
I seriously believe these decisions wont stop until we are relegated and out of the way .
Whether this is due to us having Chinese owners or some other nefarious reason will never come to light as we know the powers that be are legendary at burying information.
All i do know is that the ludicrous decisions against us and the sheer amount of them week after week is just simply not the norm ..not even near the norm ..so unless they just dont like Wolverhampton for some other reason the only logical one is because we are the only Chinese owned club in the premier league … what other conclusion can i come to and i must add that this is my opinion built on nothing but what i have seen with my own two eyes i have no other proof.
Perhaps I’m barmy or something and as i cant be bothered to do an assessment of all the ridiculous decisions against other clubs which i do know has happened but in nothing like the quantities we have suffered i may be completely wrong but i only care about wolves
You’re certainly not on your own Spikey. Although we may be.
I have never seen the like of what’s been going on this last couple of months. Ever since our renaissance began to take shape.
You’re 10000% not on your own Spikeyboy…
The decisions against us are getting ridiculous.. embarrassing to us fans .. not perhaps to the powers that be .. but embarrassing non the less .. there’s an agenda v WOLVES FC .. never commented upon .. but clear to us fans … the rules are applied because there’s no accountability or scrutiny..
I mean .. come in .. how can Traore not be deemed to have been fouled ..(shirt pulled) .. even the play back of Nunes getting red carded us a joke .. there’s a bigger picture out there … and it smells of corruption..,
Twix. You can go right back Leicester away. The ridiculous Dendonker ‘handball ‘. Anfield Neto offside. The VVD handball in build up. Man City ‘penalty ‘. The only time EVER the goalie adjudged encroached on penalty. Leicester home drawing lines. Traore away at Arsenal. VAR no penalty after he was clearly stood on his boot in penalty area. Probably missed some out. Then this year. Totally ridiculous. No wonder we are fuckin fuming about everything. Look. I accept we have to look after ourselves. Referees aren’t gonna give us nothing . We need to put the ball in the net more. And keep it from going in our bet the same.
There are many more VAR controversies..
The Man U wipe out on Neto I think in the box… the Jota wipe out by Lindelof, given a Red by Andre Marriner then overturned to a yellow… the boot off Nunes .. in the Carabao cup .. not even looked at by VAR… the goal by Gomes at Liverpool .. chalked off by Dean .. and Andy Madley ..
I read some Leeds fans comments about VAR .. we must be top of the league now for shit decisions.. ironically most have been as a result of incompetent officials .. except Michael Oliver’s penalty given to West Brom . Clearly outside of the box …
Still hopefully the equilibrium will prevail cone the season end.
Our nemesis subject in the Guardian today… referees and VAR.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/387f8c86611734280bb3d63f3e9a31dc867b3739/1_0_4165_2500/master/4165.jpg?width=1140&quality=45&dpr=2&s=none
Sorry chaps… beaten to it by Conspiracy-anti theorist.
I was a bit too keen to share…
100th comment.
As JL stated we should take each game as it comes, that was when we were bottom of the league with no chances of survival.
On a totally different subject.
I have enjoyed the Mandalorian, Picard and other sci-fi series on a ‘free’ streaming site BUT the best series I have watched, for some time, is the second series of Carnival Row,
The first series was a bit slow but introduces the main characters.
The second series is superb, it kept me gripped from beginning to end.
Beware of the gore and blood and the intense overacting of Cara Delevingne otherwise well worth a view.
Might take your mind off the remaining fixtures.
That is the way.
So what is this all about? Fosun looking to buy a club in Belgium? Perhaps they should focus on the PL first and forget about these other distractions!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/mar/21/wolves-owners-in-talks-over-buying-stake-in-belgian-club-kv-oostende?CMP=share_btn_tw
I hope they do buy another club……..then they can transfer Mr Shi and he can ruin it……I mean……run it…….NO sorry I got it right the first time…..RUIN it…!
They want to sort out the mess they’ve got Wolves in…..before they think of buying another club.
CHW
Money makes the world go around.
Fosun effectively owns WWFC but also has significant stakes in Jorge Mendes’s Gestititite agency and Portuguese Bank BCP. So moving players around has incremental benefits to multiple Fosun associates.
Additionally Jenny Wang (Mrs Guanchang)’s Club Grasshoppers seems to have first call on Wolves players who go out on loan and never set foot in Wolverhampton.
“Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”.
WWFC is but a small cog in the Fosun wheel.
Might we see Nunes, Neves, Neto, Semedo, Silva, Sa, Ait Nouri, Guedes, Moutinho, Traore, Poodence all moving on soon? Just hope we don’t follow the Jota “bargain basement” sale strategy. They would only be following in the footsteps of many who have been and gone – Cav, Costa, Patricio, Miranda, Campana, Vinaigre, Dashadov, Vitinha, Trincao ,,,,,
Of course players come and go, but should it be this incestuous? n% of £1 billiom might be how much?
Who is really in charge Jeff?
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PJB. Where were you in 2018? Nuno. Massive promotion 99 points. Two 7 place finishes. Euro tour.? Surely Fosun have something in the tank.
I was sitting in WV1 with you . And my point remains the same. Mendes set it up for us but imo has been calling in the favours ever since, in collusion with the rest of the merry band.
I see Wolves have been charged by the FA.
The FA statement read: “Wolverhampton Wanderers FC has been charged following an incident in the 98th minute of its Premier League game against Leeds United on Saturday 18 March.
“It’s alleged that the club failed to ensure its players and/or technical area occupants do not behave in a way which is improper towards an assistant referee and the fourth official. Wolverhampton Wanderers FC has until Monday 27 March to respond.”
How many points do you think they will deduct from us, when they find us guilty?
I think they’ll give us a life line leaving us to beat arsenal 10-0 to stay up they can’t be seen to be bias
Looks a bit grim, considering the previous with Forest in January, resolved at a £45k fine. Ouch.
But then Nunes has had his red card successfully appealed and rescinded, as he didn’t handle the Linesman.
The legal team are going to be busy. 1 lv
Jlo is just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic
This report on BBC website today will be no surprise to my learned friends on the Wolves blog. For 17 years Barcelona were ‘bunging’ the former vice-president of Spain’s referee committee. And that’s just what was actually uncovered. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65051591
That’s it. I want my money back!!
Everton could receive a significant points deduction for breaking FFP rules. If they do 34 points might prove to be enough to avoid relegation.
From several reports, it sounds as if any penalty would not come into force until next season. Last season, Burnley and Leeds complained about Everton’s gross overspending. Time will reveal all.
Don’t worry. When we go to Arsenal last game they will have the Ref/ linesman / VAR / the president of Latvia/ Johnny Rotten/ Bob fuckin Wilson all aligned . So when Rauls 15th minute goal is ruled out ‘offside’ under a new law which states ‘ under no cirumstances will Wolves FC be allowed a goal whether it is onside or not” The new law only comes in to effect at Arsenal then goes away again. Like the Lemina ruling. The “3rd bloke running towards the Ref” ruling. Never seen before or since. Apart from that everything is great.
Shi ain’t never going to remodel the stadium.