Well, we were cheated.
I can’t draw any other conclusion having seen both their second goal and what should have been our third.
Salah is offside – plain and simple. There’s no first and second phase in that incident. Toti tries to head the ball because Salah runs in behind him from an offside position.
And then, as if by magic, no angle to prove Nunes was offside when it looked spurious at best on the scant footage that was offered.
Wolves should have won and on the overall balance of play would have been worthy winners.
The Guedes goal was a howler from Alisson but the high pressing had created openings before and after that moment.
Liverpool were on the ropes for the remainder of the first half and it took a horrible Nathan Collins shank to invite them back into the contest. The cross and finish were exceptional but it’s disastrous from our perspective.
After they went ahead with their first gift from the officials it did look like we might be edged out but there was a steady conveyor belt of breaks to offer hope.
The excellent Ait-Nouri was at the heart of things and looks reborn under Lopetegui and we can only hope his injury isn’t serious. Liverpool had no answer for his pace and trickery.
Hwang and Cunha kept the good feeling going by conjuring an equaliser and despite the game moving end to end, it was refreshingly Wolves that looked to be carrying the greater threat in attack.
That superiority should have paid off with Toti’s winner but instead we have to be content with a replay.
Hopefully that game will offer similar levels of encouragement, the same drama but significantly less bungling from those trusted to officiate.
I won’t hold my breath.
We’re on our way back
Come on you wolves
New footage shows the lineman jiggling back and forth from the time the corner was taken to the time it re entered the box , not once did the lineman stand still and raise his flag . Only when what appears to be an instruction from the referee did the lineman raise his flag …..seconds …SECONDS .after the ball entered the goal .
Had Liverpool the cup holders lost the match the FA would have lost hundreds of Millions £££s in lost over seas revunue .
The FA took care of their cash cow through Mike Dean ,who should never officate his beloved Liverpool/ Everton games as ITS
A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ..PERIOD..
KLOPP WHO CLAIMS TO BE A FAIR AND HONEST MAN SHOULD ASK HIS PLAYERS TO STEP DOWN AT THE REPLAY AND ALLOW WOLVES TO SCORE OR EVEN BETTER , SCORE AN OWN GOAL .
THAT WILL SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE AROUND THE WORLD THAT THE CORRUPT FA AND OFFICALS NEEDS TO BE INVESTEGATED BY AN INDEPENDANT PANEL.
Absolutely robbed. I think myself, Julen and every other wolves fan reacted on exactly the same way. Can’t get the angle from any of the cameras? Ridiculous. This is supposed to be one of the top stadiums in the country. The goal stands plain and simple. Why is that Wolves’ problem?
That’s really wound me up.
Excellent performance from us though. Rayan, Ruben and Matheus all superb as was Nathan Collins. I know his wayward punt got Liverpool back into the game but he was a rock in defence and dealt with everything that came his way. If he can cut out the silly mistakes from his game (which I’m confident he will with more experience) then I believe we have a very good defender on our hands.
Gutted. Absolutely gutted. Why is Salah given as a goal. Toti ruled offside. Not the first time a massive massive injustice at Anfield. And just compound my misery MOTD kicks off with fuckin Coventry v Wrexham.
The Nunez goal was off his ankle. They are now saying there was a broken VAR camera.
Sure thing.
I think it was a real confidence booster, regardless of the result.
I’m sure the fans will enjoy the replay.
This was on BBC HYS tonight:
Wolves fan & watched the game in Hampshire with my friend …. a Liverpool fan from the Wirrall, born in 1968. He thought Salah’s goal shouldn’t stand and Tote’s goal should and the result should have been 3-1. He also told me he went to school with Mike Dene – who used to wear a Liverpool top as a kid! How can he be put in charge of VAR when he has a bias to his home team??!! Bonkers.
To use a rather old fashioned expression, but one that somes it, we was robbed.
With you there, Thomas.
Mike Dean 2, Wolves 0.
Almost as inevitable as Danny Ings scoring.
There’s no camera inside Anfield that points to the corner.? It was there when the corner, and other corners where taken from that side. What bollox, the worst excuse for not reversing a decision. It brings the game into disrepute. Fair enough if the lad is coming from an offside position, but he’s well up 2nd or 3rd phase even. Not a single picture. That is bollox.
Salah definitely influencing play from an offside position.
Well played the team. Collins MoM. Rual gets a start. Bench looking strong. All seems to be coming together under J-Lo. Keeping the performance levels high.
We’re not out of it yet.
1 lv & COYW.
Any other season I’d be pleading for a cup run. This season it’s just about the league for me.
JL has made a difference I wouldn’t have believed possible with the same group of players Lage had at his disposal.
Game by game we’re looking better and better and I’m getting back my love of the beautiful game.
We were robbed. This match was reminiscent of those titanic struggles against Liverpool and Man U when we were playing our best football in the Nuno era. No doubt about it, Lopetegui is the real deal. He’s been worth waiting for.
Well. I have calmed down a bit. What an excellent display from me babbies. The first 10 mins. We weathered the Liverpool press. Grew in to the game. Don’t forget J lo made 9 changes from Villa. Liverpool had a VERY strong team out. But if MIKE DEAN is ever in charge of our games again I will personally drop a nuclear fucking bomb on Birkenhead.
Let’s see, VAR, BIG SIX, CHEATING!!!! Have I not heard that before? Over and over again! And again and again !
Why don’t the big six just piss off to their own European league, and leave us honest sufferers alone!!
Over and over again!! And again!!!!!
We were deliberately cheated. Pure and simple
I don`t believe in coincidences. These decisions which go against us in favor of the supposed important sides happen far too regularly to be nothing more than cheating by dishonest officials. Investigations at the highest level are surely essential, and our club should do everything possible to instigate this
Fact 1. Salah was miles offside.
Fact 2. Neither Toti nor any other Wolves player was offside
We won the game. Period.
All that said our performance tonight as a team was outstanding. Our new coach is working a miracle. We now have good reason to believe
The only real downside was the dreadful error by Collins which let Liverpool back into the game. This was not unexpected — the guy is always a disaster waiting to happen. On the evidence of tonight our central defensive pairing in coming games should be Toti and Max Kilman, — though I for one am hoping against hope that we can sign a commanding, proven central defender in eh very near future.
Collins was man of the match. Getting better every game. End of.
And at Villa … he was immense
I agree about the dishonesty but have to disagree about Collins… yes his pass led to their goal (but it was exceptional play by them to create the goal), but other than that Collins was imperious at the back, I lost count the amount of times he was in the way and clearing headers so justifiably got MotM.
Don’t think Lopetegui would play Toti & Kilman together because they are both left footer. Collins has an error in him but he’s in most people’s opinion a good defender.
One of my Dad’s regular comments was that he did not see how anyone could be “played onside”. His view was that if someone is in an offside position when a team mate plays the ball he is offside and the fact that after a period of time – possibly short, but definitely finite – a touch by an opponent can’t alter that fact. This is different, of course, to the case where a defender fails to move up with the rest of his team and that failure results in an advanced opponent not being offside. This is sometimes referred to as “playing them onside”, but all it really means is that the forward is not actually in an offside position.
Salah’s goal is a good example of this. He was in an offside position when the ball was struck by the Liverpool player and nothing Toti did or didn’t do can change that. Even if the ‘not interfering with play’ justification is wheeled out, it is hard to argue that someone standing unmarked well inside the penalty area was not causing a significant interference to the play – as proved by the goal which resulted. If he had not been offside when the ball was centered, scoring would have been much more difficult for him.
The offside law has always had its difficulties, goals being disallowed because someone thirty or forty yards away from the action and who had played no part in the move which resulted in the goal was offside. The other difficulty was that decisions were made by eye by a linesman who could be the width of the pitch away from the action, or even, in the event of a quick attack, some yards behind the play. They were never going to get it right, but most players and fans would settle for someone doing the best they could, and also being impartial.
More recently the law has been fiddled with by well intentioned but misguided people who have failed to think things through and unintended consequences have resulted. A good example of this is the “phases of play” theory. This is fine when it doesn’t stop play because someone is moving back onside and doesn’t attempt to play the ball, but an attack may only last perhaps five seconds, there is surely no justification for trying to introduce artificial divisions into even briefer phases.
Danny Murphy summed it up on MOTD. The excuse for ruling out Toti’s goal was that no camera was covering the vital area. DM said that this showed that VAR doesn’t work properly. If onfield decisions are so suspect that they need to be checked and ‘corrected’. it is totally unjust not to overule an official because pictures aren’t available to prove him wrong, it denies teams the opportunity for a check that would otherwise be made
Still bloody fuming
VAR was introduced for one overriding purpose. To provide the potential for outcome of games to be manipulated outside of the field of play. It is no coincidence that decisions are not shown via video evidence or explained in the stadium. Please do not dismiss this viewpoint as a “conspiracy theory” . FIFA protested the innocence of Blatter and Platini, denied corruption behind the awarding of world cups in Russia and Qatar and it will be shown in time that VAR has been used as a tool of manipulation to protect vested interest. If I was an investigative journalist I’d be all over trying to get evidence around this, because if it looks corrupt and smells corrupt then 99 times out of 100 you will find it has corruption at its heart.
Couldn’t agree more SC. It happens too regularly to be an unfortunate coincidence.
WHAT A PILE OF BOLLOX VAR IS!
Particularly when ‘controlled’ by one of the worst referees ever to have put a whistle to his evil little mouth.
Mike Dean has come up with countless ways over the years to deny Wolves a fair crack of the whip, but last night took the biscuit.
The Mo Sala ‘goal’ took a hell of a lot of explaining to justify his decision and had the ITV pundits rolling their eyes for some time.
To disallow the Toti goal was obviously even beyond Dean’s ability…. until he came up with ‘a broken camera’… of course… how silly of us… it happens all the time.
He neglected the one – the most important – rule.
VAR COMES INTO ACTION IF THERE IS A CLEAR AND OBVIOUS MISTAKE BY THE REFEREE.
The referee awarded the goal.
There was no CLEAR AND OBVIOUS proof that he was wrong.
I expect that Liverpool are, even as I type this, making space for another FA Cup on their trophy shelf.
It’s obviously got their name on it.
Including the words:- “Courtesy of Mike Dean”.
Well, we’ll see about that at Molineux.
The doogooder is spot on with Clear and obvious mistake by the referee. Absolutely. Show us the lines on the film showing a Wolves player in an offside position. You can’t So refs decision is a goal. Watch the replay and the linesman doesn’t flag immediately when he thinks he has seen a Wolves player offside Even he’s not convinced so his flag goes up for VAR to check. But they can’t so our friend mr M Dean makes his totally unbiased opinion that the Wolves player was in deed offside
I hope the money he is paid for officiating in this match he pays it to some charity because he hasn’t earned it
To the Wolves players you did your fans proud every man jack of you. Play like this every week and we will win more games than not. As long as that man Dean isn’t involved !!!
Thank you JL for coming to our rescue. It has been worth the wait
COYW
Now I’m over the anger and frustration of the latest offside and VAR farce (can’t the football authorities are the reputational damage?) In looking forwards again. JL is certainty justifying his appointment at the moment. With 9 changes, 2 youngsters (I thought both did really well) and players missing we produced a performance that was way above his predecessor in terms of intensity, tactically, proactive intelligent use of the bench and with much more of an attacking threat. He’s also getting better performances out of the likes of Hwang and Guedes so he and his coaches are having a positive impact. If the club can get two or three smart acquisitions over the line to provide better cover and more options in key areas for him then we can be far more optimistic not just about about the rest of the season but beyond.
I didn’t agree with the introduction of VAR in the first place. The game functioned very well without it for a long, long time and It takes away that spontaneous moment of joy when a goal is scored. It has not reduced controversy but increased it and football is poorer for it. The next step, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the idiots/ crooks in charge of the game took it, is changing the result after the match has finished !! Heaven help us !
Your thoughts on VAR, especially regarding killing the joy when your team scores, exactly mirror mine Bilko. I celebrate Wolves goals nowadays when the game kicks off again.
Mistakes are no longer down to honest human error. They are down to corruption. Simple as that.
There is Offside and BIG SIX Offside.
It’s clearly against the rules to win at anfield unless you are in the top 6
Luckily for the VAR cartel they had Liverpool supporting Mike Dean at the controls to ensure that didn’t happen …. AGAIN !!!
What a fucking stitch up !
All I can say is if we play like that for the rest of the season, there is no way we are going down…
Mike Dean or no Mike Dean…
I remember the ridiculous Moutinho penalty given against us at Man City. Here again VAR couldn’t find a ‘camera angle’ to overturn the referee decision and ludicrously the penalty was allowed.
Football was perfectly fine until VAR reared it’s ugly head. I’m sick to death of it. Imagine how many kids have turned away from the game now because of it. I know I would’ve done if it this had been introduced when I was growing up. It’s an insurance job for the big boys, pure and simple, and the excuse that there was no working camera, at one of the biggest grounds is England, is laughable and downright pathetic. I feel this will rankle if we end up losing the replay.
It’s hard to look at the positives at the minute because I’m still so angry, but it’s clear the improvement we’ve made under Lopetegui. The players look fitter, we look far more organised (even though we’re getting punished for individual mistakes), and what a nice change to have a manager who makes positive substitutions, introduced at the right time, after 12 months of Lage’s dawdling in-game management. Certain players have gone up a gear – Collins is looking far better, RAN was outstanding again and Nunes’ talent is flourishing now he’s being deployed in his rightful positon. I just hope the manager is backed sufficiently this month.
I’ll be honest, I thought we were ripe for the drop even after JL’s appointment. Five games into his reign and I’m convinced more than ever we’ll be fine.
UTW
Can someone explain how Salah can be deemed to have been played onside .. regardless of the ‘phase’… YET when Nunes received the ball back (following his corner kick) … it was headed to him by a Liverpool player … surely the ‘played inside’ still applies…
My take on it is that ALL OFFICIALS .. even in the same match … have differing interpretations of the vague rules that exist and therefore the decisions are self opinionated .. and corruptly wrong …
Robbed doesn’t come close…
Real score … 1-3
I think you’ll find that the ball was headed to Nunez by Raul (not a Liverpool player). The bit I cannot understand is why did the ref ask the linesman to put the flag up? VAR (supposedly) checks all goals anyway, so it wasn’t the case of flag up so that VAR will check it.
Secondly, was the referee aware that there was no coverage of the ground in that area? Or indeed, the VAR ref (Dean)?
I really do think that club (and fans) deserve an answer from the FA as to what and why that incident was allowed to happen
Vicsmith respectfully …. The original cross was headed partially out by a Liverpool player and then back headed by a wolves player to Nunes.. who by this time had reached a definite onside position… the first header created the “next phase” of play..
Either way mate .. there’s inconsistency…
Another question raised on another platform was that VAR was in use to scrutinise Hwang goal … what happened to that camera..?
Having looked at the replay of the 3rd goal, over and over, we both were wrong. The initial corner was headed by Collins (in a tussle with a LP player) which went to Hwang who headed the ball to Nunez. Immaterial who did what, the question is, why did the ref instruct the linesman to put the flag up (for whatever reason) when the linesman was heading back towards the centre (meaning he had no problem). I can only assume that the linesman must have verbally communicated a doubt to the ref, and he in turn thought it was safe to call it offside as VAR would clear the problem. Putting the flag up was the problem, as the VAR’s could not prove otherwise.
I sincerely hope this latest mistake will get the FA to issue an explanation. This matter will get worse if we lose the replay.
VAR is just legitimised corruption. There’s is financial incentive to keep the big teams in any competition, big teams attract big global TV audiences not just in their native countries. TV money rules football. Let them have their super league so we can go back to enjoying corruption free footy without them.
Well it’s almost as if the backers to the cup have a vested interest in the big six getting to the latter stages for monetry reasons.
Can anyone even begin to think that those decisions would have occurred if Liverpool were on the receiving end.
Furious doesn’t cover it. I am incenced beyond any of the truly dodgy decisions over the previous years.
The camera view of their goal line does not wash; the goal line camera being out of use would have already been notified to the teams and broadcasters.
From what was shown you can easily tell Nunes was back on side.
Corruption; a desecration to our game in my opinion…
By the way, isn’t it great to have a proactive manager who understands player’s strengths and makes tactical alterations and tweeks before the final quarter of an hour. Impressed; I’ll say I am.
I wrote this before reading others’ comments but was pleased to see others pick up on the need for an anti corruption drive.
Unfortunately having limitless amounts of money facilitates the defence and obfuscation of corrupt actions. Again the rot begins at the head and permiates down.
We’ll just have to hope our lads can overcome these real obstacles.
Any award or remuneration would, of course, be in offshore bank accounts; a British invention I believe. Maybe someone can put me right on that.
Couldn’t agree more
Agree Debenham. The problem is that anyone who would be listened to most likely profits from the game and any talking points that arise controversial or not. The World Cup was a good example, there’s basically nobody left with a voice cos everyone is getting paid off indirectly or not. All the corruption exposed in FIFA amounted to nothing in the end, Russia ansd Qatar got their party, everyone turned up. They are treating us like idiots.
The linesman didn’t flag for Nunes offside .. he raised his flag for the VAR process after the goal . There was no VAR process due to apparently a dodgy cameraTherefore the goal should have stood .
It’s common knowledge that Deans is a Liverpool fan . A previous post points out that he openly wore a Liverpool shirt in his younger days .
It’s definitely corrupt and a perfect system to fix matches .
He is in fact a Tranmere fan.
Nowadays .
He used to be a Liverpool fan
He lives in Wirral so he has to walk amongst Liverpool supporters on a daily basis, for that reason alone he shouldn’t be anywhere near a Liverpool game.
That is key though, he didn’t flag so the decision goes to VAR.
I thought VAR checks every goal action. There should be no need to the linesman to put the flag up (unless he suspected there was some sort of infringement).
Having heard the phrase “a new phase of play”, or some variant on it used so frequently to explain situations and decisions arising in connection with the offside law, I wondered what basis it has, so I checked out the Laws of Association Football 2022/23 – available on-line and made the interesting discovery that there is no mention of ‘phase’ or ‘ phases’ to be found in Law 11, the one that covers Offside. The only mention I found was on a site dealing with statistics, particularly how these have been developed over the last three or four years. In that context, ‘phases’ relates only to major changes in the game situation – for example when an attack phase for one team breaks down as its player loses the ball and the other team starts a new phase, the type depending on what they actually do with the ball. Clearly this has nothing whatsoever to do with the offside law!
In other words the laws of the game make no provision whatsoever for phases in connection with offside. It makes you wonder if its use could be a deliberate act to popularise a word which sounds technical – something perhaps that ‘ordinary’ people might shy away from because they can’t be sure they understand it. Introducing a nebulous word which can be used to mean anything you want it to mean – if it is to your advantage! It’s very reminiscent of Humpty Dumpty when he told Alice “‘When I use a word, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean–neither more nor less.’ Even more it puts me in mind of someone rather nearer our own time – the delightful Stanley Unwin who managed to sound very clever and technical while speaking absolute gibberish. I thought he’d passed away, but perhaps he still lives – in VAR HQ!! 🙂
I was also interested to read the laws relating to officials. It made me think that the VAR officials seem to be taking on themselves rather more than the law strictly allows.
I do hope Howard Webb is able to do something about the inconsistencies. It is no help to someone who is having difficulty feeding their family or heating their home to hear a politician say they understand. What they need it something done about it.
Without suggesting in any way that the two are comparable in seriousness, I’d suggest that it’s no consolation to football fans to be given a complicated reason why a clearly unfair decision has been given against them, what they want is something at least as good as what we had pre VAR, namely one referee who was clearly in charge and whose decisions – mistakes and all – were fully on display to everyone watching the game.
COYW
COJL
The expression “if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t” comes to mind when listening to the referee apologists.
Meanwhile Over in New Zealand the same principle applies to the treaty of waitangi they’ve introduced the words “in the spirit of” there for giving free range to do anything not football related I know but the bastard manipulators are at it everywhere
Absolute travesty, correct score 3-1 as several above have said.
This is just the latest episode in the Mike Dean show,
The case of the ghost camera is truly beyond belief. As for Salah goal and again Toti’s goal they’re just making it up as they go along to suit the big 6 agenda.
Funny how so many decisions go the way of LFC and MUFC, coincidentally the ringleaders of the super league project – yanks out!
It’s getting to the point where the whole integrity of the PL is being called into question.
Footnote – remember the 5 minutes it took VAR to find a frame with Jonny’s toe offside at Anfield to disallow Neto’s goal. And it hasn’t improved one jot because of the excessive power of certain clubs being able to maintain their stranglehold by fair means or otherwise.
And the good news – vast improvement continues under JL hopefully with more reinforcements inbound.
I could not agree more- our collective sense of injustice should spur the team and fans to greater levels but what a performance from such an inexperienced team.
Just an aside- not only are we impressed by the sea change in performance levels introduced by JLo in such a short time but his leadership skills and game management are first class.
Julen’s magnanimous view of the two offside issues after the game also speak volumes of him as a man bringing and demanding high standards.
He is in danger of bringing the game into ‘repute’- his Big 6 peers could learn from his demeanour. This new management team looks like it could bring in a new golden age for the club- perhaps we can give Jeff some credit for this?
Ww
Agree credit to Jeff for eventually getting his (Jorge’s?) man, but it wasn’t before time given the catalogue of mistakes over the last 3 years. Just hope it hasn’t happened too late.
This time last year, Wolves were doing well under Lage.
8th place with 25 points from 18 games.
And then he couldn’t pick up a point and in the summer decimated the squad. Why are you defending the indefensible?
Does it matter if a Mendes signing. Key is whether he is any good or not. I think looking at the overall picture GM done quite well for us. Mendes is a tool to utilise.
Well said PJB. You have tapped in to what the fans are saying. A further quote from ex ref Mark Halsey doing the rounds. Basically saying Refs are under some sort of guidlines to give a certain amount of free kicks yelliw cards. But always with an eye to the ‘big 6’ . And ensuring they are ok. He says match fixing/spot fixing is rife. And ends by saying it won’t be long before referees are dragged ‘before courts ‘ to answer for actions. This is explosive. We all know we have been on a never ending run of shitty marginal decisions. Ok . We have had a couple of penalties via handball. But csn you say when in the heatcof battle v Arsenal Man U Man C Liverpool etc we have ever had anything apart from grief go our way ???? If anyone knows of anything put it on the blog .
Not read any of the posts yet..
Just wanted to say that we were cheated yesterday for sure.
But….looking at the bigger picture— exciting times ahead!
A couple more players and this team will uproot trees for the manager.
Even Traore
Its amazing what a good coach can do, we will survive, its imperative we sign a experienced cb asp, love to all my bloggers, God bless u, wolves aie we.
Stay strong Binda .. your wolves family luv ya …
God bless you too mate.
There are more important things than football.
Klopp said he saw a picture which seemed to indicate that there was someone offside for the third goal.
Wolves should ask for Liverpool to email them the picture.
Extremely cheered up by the scenes at Villa Park. Very satisfying. The mighty 1982 Euro champions put to the sword by Stevenage.
The BBC match report is followed by almost 3000 comments from fans all over the country. Wolves fans are unanimously furious and aggrieved, most Liverpool fans are embarrassed, others including Baggies say we were robbed either by accident or design.
The football community as a whole wants us to beat Liverpool out of revenge but the bigger picture says it doesn’t want the controversy that VAR generates. Big decisions are favouring big clubs too often to be a coincidence and the interpretation of incidents is inconsistent. VAR is a tool, like a lawn mower, but how you use it makes a big difference to the outcome.
Talking of making a difference… well done Julen, thank you. Onwards and upwards.
BG
Well said; was going to refer to this earlier but you beat me to it. BBC HYS is almost unanimous on the handling of this match by all officials and particularly Dean.
We see it week in week out but it was so blatant yesterday that that the whole football community is up in arms (including many embarrassed L’pool fans).
Incompetence – partly maybe.
Impartiality – I fear definitely not.
So blatant that it would do no harm if new supremo Howard Webb took a long hard look at it.
From Mike Dean Wiki page.
‘Dean was originally appointed to referee the 2006 FA Cup final at the Millennium Stadium on 13 May 2006 but the Football Association later replaced him with Alan Wiley after concerns were raised about Dean’s ability to be impartial towards Liverpool, who are based near his hometown in Wirral.[4] Dean made it to the Millennium Stadium eight days later though, when he refereed the Championship play-off final between Leeds United and Watford.’
Bill Shankly was a man of honesty and integrity. If last night’s game had taken place when he was manager of Liverpool I honestly believe he would have refused to bring a team to the replay as a protest against blatant dishonesty and corruption.
Dick Emery on Stevenage defeat ” The last 5 minutes we didn’t control our minds” . It’s all jolly splendid.
“Oooh! You are awful! But I like you”.
ffs, its not even close
This whole murky business has gone on far too long and not just this weekend …
It’s high time some sort of criminality be looked into .. it’s so obviously wrong …
Zero transparency or accountability.
Despite all the negativity, JL is a revelation.
In some ways, the Salah “not offside” is a bigger joke.
The implication of that ruling (and “phases” re-starting) is that every time an attacker is offside eg from a free kick, if any defender goes for the ball and touches it on it way through to the offside player, then he is now onside with only the goalie to beat.
I have never seen that circumstance allowed to play on and a goal scored and stand.
I totally agree Ash.
If any defender unilaterally decided not to defend a ball because he thought there might be an offside, his manager would probably drop him.
Toti did exactly the right thing. Confined to do his job until the whistle was blown.
Now it seems defenders have to second guess what the ref might do.
I’m also concerned that anyone taking a corner could be deemed offside.
Forgive me going completely off Piste and being overly picky , but one little thing that annoys me is the pronunciation of Julen’s first name by the ‘professional’ commentators and pundits. I did look up how to say it when he first arrived as there seemed to be at least three varied attempts on telly and the radio.
Julen is Basque and the Spanish ‘h’ sound is incorrect as is the Portuguese hard ‘j’ and a soft ‘ zyoo’ version. The name is pronounced ‘Yoolen’. I’m sure he is not as bothered as I am, but my respect for him is already such that I feel it would be nice to, at least, get his name right… And by the way the first offside decision was completely, undeniably wrong no matter how much they try to obfuscate by making up a newer version of the rules and truth as possible. As Goebels said, ” Repeat a lie enough times and the masses will come to believe it.” or words to that effect. Salah was offside and benefitted from it; end of. Or not in point of fact.
How are we going to get rid of the corruption that surrounds modern life? I truly don’t know…
So after years of pronouncing the other Portuguese players’ name incorrectly, this suddenly is an issue
In view of all the controversy, I thought this from Bill Tidy might be of interest to honourable members. 🙂
So does that mean Wolves can sit Costa right in front of their goalie to prevent the other team from passing back to him?
I have been looking at other fans forums and there is a massive amount of input re VAR. Below is a contribution on Blue Moon. The Man City forum:
“Having just watched MOTD, those of you with iPlayer scroll to 1:20:00 on the catch up replay. When the Wolves third goal goes in, the lino keeps his flag down and starts walking back to the halfway line as if a goal has been scored. Who tells him to stop and put his flag up and why?”
There is something very very wrong going on .
It’s known as corruption Cheeseburger and with a bit of luck the lid’s about to come off.
Looked up Halsey’s remarks and he clearly knows a lot more than he’s saying. If this is allowed to continue we’re all wasting our time and money watching football.
Yep. Because we have City away and Liverpool home twice coming up. Expect more of the same. Wolves v them + ref+ var. I am getting sick of it. To be honest. The Wolves team should just walk off the field. This will create a massive stink and force the boil to be burst.
Always loved the idea of just telling the boys to walk , can you imagine the repercussions from the big boys that their covers blown
I didn’t know much about this – my fault, it’s clearly quite well-known – but found this brief article useful to fill in the background for me. One thing I found alarming was the news that referees when they retire have been offered £50,000 if they will sign a gagging order preventing them blowing the gaff.
https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/55872
The article includes a suggestion that refs should not be allowed to ref foe one team more than twice in a season. If this sort of precaution is even being suggested, it points to there being something nasty in the woodshed so to speak.
It’s confirmed that the ref gestured to the linesman to raise his flag for an offside VAR check..(from around a waist high position.. similar to that afforded Jimenez when he claimed a foul…. the get up motion).
Let’s also be clear that the ref was nowhere near the ‘lines’ for scrutinising offside….
It seems that Madley did this .. ie prompted the linesman to raise the flag to invite the VAR check…
IMO with VAR now possibly proving NO OFFSIDE offence then as an excuse to disallow the goal .. the camera not working bullshit was put forward .. and ultimately to keep the officials original offside decision…( without VAR evidence to the contrary)
In other words clear proof that MADLEY was suspicious of corruption.
I understand that indisputable footage has “come to light” confirming that Toti’s goal was valid. Presume it must have been found hidden in Mike Dean’s locker.
It is actually quite dangerous because the old banter about the ref and it will all even itself out in the end is clearly not happening since our arrival in the prem. Consistently at the bottom of the ‘var league’. Certainly miles at the bottom of the 3 year accumulated VAR league. And always at the wrong end of ‘marginal’ VAR decisions. City. Liverpool. Arsenal in particular. And now we see that the lino was ‘told’ to raise his flag on Saturday. Who was in the refs ear? Why?
So here’s the thing. Some fans have to video the linesman and some have to video the referee when goal have been scored so there will be possible evidence if this occurs again.
I know people are saying these things but we need incontrovertible evidence.
Maybe some actually exists of the Toti goal – I don’t have access to a video of the game.
Get used to it J lo. Welcome to Wolves.
https://twitter.com/Kevins1877/status/1612532376789213186?t=oKI9sGUeqttI3GewtCswVg&s=19
That footage needs to go viral and Stockley park needs burning down !
Lucky lucky oxford. No var tonight. You actually have a fighting chance now.
An article today apparently proves there was a stitch-up. The linesman was walking away in anticipation of the restart after the goal, but the referee told him to signal offside. The referee was in no position to judge. Unless the referee had it in for us, who told the referee to tell the linesman to flag offside? There’s a smoking gun here. I think that Wolves should take legal advice and make things hot for those responsible. Unless we challenge hard when injustices happen, such things will continue to happen. Klopp is moaning like hell about fixture congestion. Well he could forfeit the replay and ease his problems. Don’t forget, Liverpool had 48 hours longer to prepare for this match, and fielded a very strong team compared to our largely second string side.
Here’s the article link: https://www.sportbible.com/football/wolves-goal-offside-liverpool-var-footage-147232-20230110
I want an acknowledgement and an official apology for Wolves at the very least.
What it needs .. is a police interview with Madley, under caution, as to why he prompted his linesman to raise the flag ..
Agreed, it’s now got to the point where this is issue needs to be addressed by outside law enforcement agencies; it’s been done in the cricket world. Too many vested interests and wheels within wheels in the football authorities. It will never be squeaky clean but it’s become farcical. Dean and some others seem untouchable.
Many of us from “ordinary” clubs have known this stuff has been on for years, eg. 9 minutes at The Mol. 4 years ago to devise a way to give Man City a penalty.- 9 minute VAR check and clear and obvious is definitely mutually exclusive.
Never seen a a BBC HYS where the universal outrage has been so unanimous for one result as Saturday. 3000 posts with thousands more sub comments, c.99% backing Wolves agreeing we were cheated mainly from neutrals.
If the game isn’t to fall into serious disrepute and the PL is to maintain any credibility this big 6 bias (corruption) has to be overturned.
Come on Howard Webb, show us you aren’t just another big 6 stooge, Get stuck in, Anfield 7th Jan gives you the perfect start for an opening salvo and you have Wolves’ letter to get the ball rolling.
I call this ‘evidence gathering’. I’m with you and all other footy fans here, this can’t happen.
And we’ve got them red handed here. Trust me I know what that means. It means someone has to burn.
Before it gets snowed under we need to organise something.
My bet is on Deano.
Lets get the ‘camera failure report’, the maintenance schedule on the monitors. When was the camera reported as not working?
Was the ref / other agencies told it wasn’t working? What procedures were in place to ensure fair play following a camera outage?
The list is pretty self propelling. He can’t call that offside if he had no VAR because it wasn’t offside.
A lawyer might be useful in the ranks.
Nothing happened after that blatant Delli Alli dive. They refused to show it on MoTD. I bet every club has it’s legendary freak decisions.
But this is uniting fans universally. 1.2 million views on twitter account. Lets keep the momentum going.
1 lv & COYW
Agreed!!
He had Dean in his ear. That’s what.
Maybe Dean had money on a 2-2 draw ! Stranger things have happened,
I’m doubly gutted. First for Wolves. Secondly I had a tenner on at 16/1 for a Wolves win with BTTS.
Being a fan of ‘a little club’ for more years than I care to (or can) remember, I know deep down that we will get sod all satisfaction from the latest outrageous decision we’ve been the victims of.
The old pals act and favouritism towards the ‘elite’ is too deeply ingrained in the people who are in power and can wield their influence as they wish.
A bit tongue in cheek but, if there was no goal, surely Toti should not have received a yellow card for taking his shirt off ‘after a goal is scored’.
The very least that the ‘powers that be’ could do is to rescind it.
Some bloody hope!
Just seen a mobile video in line from the other side of the pitch. No one was offside. Again!
In the interest of fairness the replay at Mol should have exactly the same set up with the alleged positioning of VAR cameras as at Anfield. Two other things have also pissed me off. 1. The stamp by Robinson on Traore face (of course no VAR check). 2. A penalty shout on the corner of the penalty area for a blatant shove by a Liverpool player (naturally no VAR check) . And just the accumulation of useless decisions given against us. Costa gets a red at Brentford for pushing his face in to the defender . At Southampton last week Brennan Johnson does EXACTLY THE SAME for Forest on the defender but Yellow card. Brighton home red card for Semedo because the forward was denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. Only he wasn’t. He was going down the side of penalty area. Arsenal home and the non VAR on Guedes 7 minutes. Penalty. Red card. Not even checked. I am ao fucking angry. The list goes on and on. You watch. Next weeked we will have a Salah moment. Costa puts it in. It will be ruled out offside by VAR.
Graham (useless) Scott in charge tomorrow night…
He’s the ref that sent Semedo off against Brighton..(I think)
I’m mythered and haven’t even got there yet …
First two mistakes of JL’s reign.
Taking Raul off just minutes before a possible penalty shoot out.
Giving the 5th penalty to a 20 year old novice.
Having said that, if the state of Matheus’ boot is anything to go by, it should never have gone to a shoot out.
Just seen the Nunes penalty not given. Absolute joke. Clear penalty. I just don’t know what we have to do. The long list of shitty decisions against us just keeps on growing. How can that incident result in a yellow card for a Wolves player. Beyond belief.