Well, I don’t agree with Marcelo Bielsa’s assessment that Leeds dominated the game.
They created chances and Bamford was unlucky to see his goal ruled out for offside, but Wolves had their say.
15 shots on goal, including Adama Traore’s rocket are proof of that.
The main problem for the boys in old gold was defending set-pieces and it was aggravating how many times the impressive Raphinha was able to pick out his teammates.
Had it not been for wastefulness and some smart reactions from Rui Patricio, things would certainly have gone differently.
But from open play, we created as much, if not more than Leeds.
Yes, Helder Costa fluffed his lines at the finish but that miss was no more guilt-edged than Nelson Semedo’s in the first half.
And in Pedro Neto we possessed the games most dangerous player. He forced one great save out Meslier and was a constant thorn in their side with trademark probing runs.
Adama didn’t get into the game as often as I would have liked but more than made up for that with the game’s decisive moment.
It’s a shame that it won’t be recognised as his goal or even his assist to put to bed one of the strangest statistics in Premier League football.
But it was superb play to turn his man, drive in field and unleash a strike that forced the sprawling dive.
Fantasy Football managers won’t count it, but he was the matchwinner as far as I’m concerned.
In a break from tradition, the first-half performance was probably stronger than the second with Wolves more content to sit and counter after the break, even before going ahead.
It was nice to see us more proactive and adapting our game to combat the unique challenge that Leeds possess.
Every game is different and it’s pleasing that Wolves, by hook, crook or plain good fortune are finding a way to come out on top.
They could yet turn a disappointing season into a good one.
Good summary as ever Thomas. I really enjoyed the game, despite the nervy last 10 minutes. Lots of positive things, lots of have a go shots.
Rui my man of the match. Jose must wonder why he came as Pedro and Adama don’t seem keen to pass to him.
Marcal is turning into our new Tony Daly, which is unfortunate.
I targeted 4 points from next 2 games, going toe to toe with Leeds is an excellent start.
Guess the season ticket waiting list will grow again now we are on a roll!
Before the Southampton game I targeted 22 points. So, 16 to go!
I’ve got no fingernails left, feel sorry for Leeds today, but we are getting some luck, time to get drunk, at least morgan gibbs white did not get on the pitch, wolves aie we.
Again we’ve stolen a win but I’ll settle for that.
I take back my Rui criticisms he was without a doubt MOM.
I still don’t feel that e can go into any game as the favourite yet.
But still, onwards and upwards.
A stretch to say the win was stolen. They had their moments but so did we. A good contest, and about time we had some luck go our way.
Perhaps Stolen was a bit strong Rich. We played much better than we have for ages but we’re not yet looking comfortable.
As always it’s coming down to those famous small margins and we’re lucky the chips are falling for us at the moment.
The litmus test is go through our remaining games and decide which ones are near certain 3 points. There are some “winnable “ games but no absolute bankers. That’s where the confidence has been dented. You can read it in any of the prediction blogs.
But for now I’m more than happy to be picking up wins wherever and however we can.
I’m trying to be balanced, not critical. There’s been a good improvement but we’re not back to where we were just yet.
No Premier league games are absolute bankers apart maybe from Man City ones at the moment. Their home game against us was an absolute banker last season, thankfully, as I and others availed ourselves of 28/1.
Well I say well done for keeping these out for a second time this season. They have failed to score in only 4 games. Two of them being against us. So in that respect huge credit to our defence and Rui. They are free scoring and cause sides lots of problems so you are gonna need a bit of fortune. But I will say ( said it before) there have been games where we didn’t get any fortune so it’s swings and roundabouts. At this level it’s fine margins. Maybe things are running our way for a while. Great win. Another 3 points towards safety (and beyond ?) . Same games as last season and only 2 points behind where we were then. Who knows. FWAW.
After two and a half seasons the football gods have finally started to smile on us.
We rode our luck again but you couldn’t say we played anything other than pretty well and that Leeds gave us a bloody good game but didn’t take their chances; it bites you in the ar$e and don’t we know it. It’s only the ones that go in that count.
Nobody played badly, not even Traore, and I do feel sorry for Jose but have to say I’m not totally convinced yet and he desperately needs the spark of a goal. And don’t we miss Boly with his stature and coolness at the back. Also thought our passing game was miles better – confidence?
Well played lads, keep it up and a triple 7th finish or better is definitely on the cards.
It’s still a pity we haven’t got Bournemouth to come but I’ll settle for 33 points tonight and live in the hope that we might get back into Molineux in August. I really do miss it.
Finally, who was that bloody woman on commentary, though I loved the lines “he has it in his locker” and even better “he’s got it in his toolbox”.
The BT Sports commentators were awful again, wouldn’t stop talking. Unfortunately the volume on my Wolves TV commentary was much to low, so I had to endure it, The woman and Ian Darke was it ? are both as bad.
Excuse me Leeds United, but you’re in our seat. Move over please. Thank you!! 🙂 (Referring to the EPL table shuffle.)
Any season where we do the double on the Arsenal and Leeds is a great season, and this, my friends, is turning into one.
We stole the game my ar$e. You know what, did anyone complain when A****n “stole the game” from us through the deliberate handball they did which we never got a pen for? Anyone complain when Leicester or Villa or Spurs or … (list goes on) “stole” the games from us when we gave as good as we got? So let’s just take it for what it is … we won. Plain and simple, we won. Bielsa can go and squat all he likes and sit on his bucket in a corner. They are fast running out of juice cos you cannot take the EPL 100mph all out every game, and although entertaining, Nuno got their number twice now … that’s not luck.
As for Bamford’s offside, I don’t care how close it was. It was offside, end of story. Shall we bring up all those disallowed Wolves goals for toe-nail offsides? We would have made Europe last year if those goals went Wolves way.
And as for Costa fluffing his lines at the finish … well what did one expect. Isn’t that what he did when he played for us? Why did Leeds think we sold him to them 🙂 I danced a jig when I saw him come on. Sigh of relief. Safety at last 🙂
One thing I do agree with the Leeds fans about though, was that the goal was very unlucky. Very unlucky for Adama that it hit the woodwork instead of smashing the roof of the net directly, but I suppose justice was done regardless and the ball ended up where it was supposed to, so all is good with the world.
So here you have it, Wolves 1 – 0 Leeds.
All is good Wolves fans. Another 3 points towards a top 10 finish.
Good work Wanderers!
Excellent stuff, Go Wolves.
Just a word on Bielsa and his bucket. Poor chap has been plagued by back problems for 30 odd years and that’s why he’s always crouching and on the move and why he had to retire very early as a player. I’m inclined therefore to cut him a bit of slack as his preferred style does make for entertaining viewing.
I don’t think the bucket was employed last night. I always think any premier league game is diminished without a bucket in the technical area. Nuno should get one.
I guessed it was a back injury. Bending , as he does, eases the pain.
It must be serious, especially as all those medics on his staff do not seem to cure him. Probably there is no cure. I noticed in the post match interview he cannot sit still.
Living with such pain must be very debilitating.
I didn’t know that. Thanks for the insight Sea Pigeon. I actually like Bielsa – I just dislike Leeds :-). I wish we could have his attacking flair combined with Nuno’s defensive nous. That would be some combo! Didn’t mean to sound harsh on him. I just get a bit wound up that any time Wolves win, the press always go on about the other team playing badly or were unlucky, but I guess the opposing teams are going to say that, so c’est la vie! Like they say in chess, “I’d rather win the game and lose the analysis”.
Nuno gives bielsa another lesson.
We managed the game nicely I thought, bar a couple of chances for them we looked a little more like ourselves and another game closer to our best..
Both Neto and traore look comfortable cutting in and having a shot now so teams will find it hard to double up on both sides!
Except Newcastle of course because they will have 10 at the back .
Looking forward to our games much more now and with boly- podence back soon whilst teams above us play Europe midweek games I can see the league changing noticeably.
Top 6 anyone?
Come on you wolves
In respect of your penultimate sentence question, refer to my numerous statements when, according to a number of moaning Minnie’s stating we were in a relegation battle. We never were.
I don’t think you can ever say you’ve managed a game well when you’re keeper is your best player Marney.
We nicked it.
Everyone was worrying about relegation two games ago and now you’re talking top six.
They need to give Valium out at the turnstiles when we’re allowed back in to control the famous Wolves fan mood swings.
I was using “ managing the game” in the fashionable way , or as we used to call it , time wasting.
Not everyone was worried about relegation and I certainly wasn’t.
This is a funny season and whoever gets their squad fit enough for the rest of the season can really push up the table so why not us !
Stick a tenner on us for Europe prawny
Utw
I agree with you on the commentator. I thought she did well and pointed out astutely, (paraphrasing here) ‘Traore leaves his teammates around wondering his next move’. I think this is definitely true when he is playing through the middle. …The inverted wingers seems to be “a solution” that has added dimension to our attack. I’m hoping more time in this shape will provide more chances as it did tonight. …And in time more combination play.
Think she was also on point, wondering why Pedro and Adama seem reluctant to include Jose in the build up play…
I thought we played well and whilst fortune smiled on us there have been plenty of times where it hasn’t. Whilst still needing one, possibly two, wins to be safe, our growing confidence and better play should mean that will happen sooner rather than later. Leeds’ main threat came from Raphinha at set pieces. It’s a pity we cannot seem to match that quality of delivery because with the talent we have in moutinho and neves it should be possible. Well done Nuno and the lads.
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First off Well done Wolves
Thanks to Neto’s mum
Traore was MOM for me purely because that strike won us the game although Neto and Rui Patricio had excellent games
Special mention to Semedo who I though had his best game for Wolves
Think the team talk/meeting they had cleared the air and Nuno looked back to his touch line self.
Tough games coming up but the spirit is back in the team
Agree about Semedo. I have been a critic of his but thought he had a good game too. Just need goals and assists to be added and I might have to reassess my view.
Forgot to add
Thought the Leeds commentator was appalling
Drone of a voice and never stopped talking, needs to learn sometimes less is more
Could not agree more Baz, I always mute the sound when watch the mighty Wolves on BT Sport and don’t get me started on MacTwataman. FOWB.
Anybody else think the Ref.had a good game.
Refereed with a minimum of fuss
Sorry hancocks. I can’t say because I didn’t notice him.
Yes he’s good. Mike Dean & Michael Oliver for me are the refs I hope never get Wolves games. But this ref, David Coote just does his job professionally as it should be done.
Agreed l mute and have Micky Burrows and Andy Thompson commentary with guests on Wolves TV bostin.
He was actually very complimentary last night. Someone must have had a word in his year.
Team well set up, manager smiling, signs of a return of confidence and with it..enjoying playing together.
Great goal at last for Adama
We all hate Leeds
Over…
BT sport do not like WWFC..
That is it.
“No one likes us-im in my shed”
Think it’ll catch on
Evidence? They use lots of different ex players to analyse so that’s a bit strong never mind wrong although of course Hoddle may have an axe to grind in his own mind.
Bielsa needs to go back to school. Reckons they had twice as many chances as we did. Stats say 15 shots and 5 on target for us. Leeds, 18 and 7. Also the way he paces up and down the technical area and clearing his nose, then wiping it on his sleeve, disgusting. He has no class or manners
Could be worse he could be wiping his arse after coming off his buckett.
That’s good manners for an Argie!
Great 3 points against an old enemy Traore’s goal a great piece of mastery as he went forward to beat 3 players at a pace that they couldn’t cope with yep it bounced off the poor bloke but he deserved the goal by beating their guys in the first place.
If only he could be trained to shoot on target consistently ..
The game belongs to him and wonder goalie Patricio..
We’ve edged them again…they must be singing we hate wolves and wolves and wolves..
…but they know the real song….
I certainly do it’s an anti Revie thing for me all those years ago……
COYW
Luck, like refereeing decisions, evens itself out over the course of a season. Well our slice of luck took only half a second to level up. If ever a shot deserved a goal it was Adama’s absolute rocket. It connected with the underside of the bar and just an inch lower, or 25mm in the modern parlance, and it could easily have gone straight in. No matter. The great god of luck realised he’d gone too far and decided to equalise things straight away. The commentators both on BT and elsewhere were quick to point out how lucky our goal was. I was quick to completely ignore them and revel in the purest cleanest strike I’ve seen for a long time.
Well done to the team. The season is looking completely different from how it was a month ago. It’s a funny ole game, innit.
Meslier will never score a better og than that one. He put the finishing touch to a storming run from the touch line & a thunderous shot that all but lifted the goalposts heavenwards. Wonder if he’s going to be a contender for MOD goal of the Month?
Our two wingers have won us the last vital 6 points. With both Neto and Traore on the pitch we are always going to be capable of cashing in. Thought of the supporting cast Patricio was incredible, Coady & Jonny the pick of the defence. Neves played very defensive last night, but hey we won. The footballing Gods were very very good us probably realising we’ve had our share of shit fortune too often, so enjoy some good fortune.
The season suddenly looks altogether a brighter thing. And Jose and Samedo looked good last night too. Only hoping they can maintain that level and kick on. Fabio Silva’s had his mass of detractors but last night, in his brief cameo , he did very well with a shot which earned us a corner. Maybe after all his time will come as John Richards pointed out. Patience is a massive virtue.
Bielsa and Bamford are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think they dominated the game and were robbed. Their keeper kept them in it in the first half and but for good saves from Semedo (twice) and an outstanding save from Neto they would have been dead and buried by the time they sucked on their sour grapes at the break.
Poor little Leeds! Never mind eh? No doubt their horrible fans will feel hard done by as well. Tough.
We seem to have turned a corner with 10 efforts on goal in the first half alone and, blow me down with a wet fish, we actually scored the first goal in a game for the first time since about 1959. Apparently.
OODCL
That just about sums it all up perfectly Bedders.
Leeds were robbed, says Patrick Bamford and others. Excuse me? The Bamford strike was fantastic, but clearly offside. Zero. Null points. Not robbery. What else? OK, Leeds had some great chances (so did we) but they didn’t take them. That’s not robbery. That’s football.And luck was with us last night.
My MOTM was Patricio, particularly apt after the justified criticism he’s faced lately. He was totally in command in and around his goal and made some crucial saves. Neto is a close second for my MOTM.
I see that Neto has been listening to his parents, and taking more shots! I hope he’s listening to Nuno first and last though. Neto’s shooting is more dangerous when he’s on a run (the winners against Chelsea and Saints come to mind). He’s less effective when taking long shots outside the box, and should probably try to cut inside the box to attack the goal directly and maybe get brought down for a penalty.
Semedo is fast developing into a classy wingback. The goals will come, and arguably he should have opened his account last night. Jose made some intelligent touches and was looking to lay off to others all the time. Maybe he needs to look after number one and go for goal sometimes. He’s also not getting the service he needs. Is this because he’s not Jimenez?
Traore’s rocket was magnificent and it’s a great shame he didn’t get his name on the score sheet. But the emotional reaction from the players said it all, Traore created that goal single-handedly. The inverted wingmen plan worked well last night and the Traore goal perfectly illustrated the strategy.
Thank heavens Helder Costa hasn.t lost his talent for hitting the goalie from 2 yards.
That was for The Doog, Waggy, Kenny, Squeak, Phil the cat, Big Frank, King John… and the rest of the Class of ’73.
We had to weather a load of Leeds pressure, and Rui was probably our man of the match, but the Gods (and goal frame) were with us, unlike the Semi Final all those years ago when that Richards shot came back off the inside of the post.
A much better all round performance against an impressive Leeds side and a really entertaining game that could have gone either way.
We have to learn to defend crosses into our box. But apart from that, we looked like… a team.
If we play like that for the rest of the season, I will be a very happy Wolf.
We defend crosses much better when Big Willy is in the house, so come back soon WB.
Good performance. We took the sting out of Leeds’ game and offered plenty in attack for a change. Nobody played badly, but I’m beginning to wonder about WJ. For all the good link up play he does, he seems to be struggling to come to terms with the sheer pace of PL football, sometimes wanting just that fraction too long on the ball and allowing defenders to nip in and dispossess him. Given that we get an extra 1 or 2 million for each place we go up the table (and we’ve gone up a few since he joined) I can see a situation in which the club would be happy to just pay the 3 million loan fee.
The inverted wingers worked well but we have to ensure that it doesn’t become too predictable a tactic. I see we’re only 4 points off 7th place and would like to think that we can push on and achieve it as the squad will soon be back to full strength (Raul and Marcal excepted).
I disagree with your comments ref WJ
First of all we`ve looked far more balanced with him in the side. His hold up play is definitely what was missing. Last night`s game fully demonstrated this
Secondly, he is not yet getting the service a striker needs. As he integrates into the team I believe that he will fully demonstrate his worth
I agree that we look more balanced with him in the side. I also acknowledge that his link up play is generally good (see my original post).
I just think that he is not (mentally maybe ?) sharp enough yet for the PL. Its possible he’s not getting the service because he’s not getting into the right positions quickly enough. (Having said that, Neto could have put one on a plate for him last night but chose to blaze over instead). I hope he succeeds because I like what I’ve seen of his performances at his previous clubs and if he could bring some of that finishing power to Molineux we would as a squad be a lot, lot stronger.
Interesting stat: 6 games ago when we reached the bottom of our bad run we were on 22 points. Southampton were a significant 7 points above us on 29 points. Today we are on 33 points. They are still on 29 points.Funny old game football. And taking 11 points from those 6 games including Chelsea, Leicester Arsenal and Leeds can’t all be down to luck. And co includes with the return to a back 3 and Jonny!
Just seen Texas on BBC news and a load of Texans queuing up to get water. I swear there was a bloke in a Wolves jacket ……
Surely not queuing for water – IPA more likely!
I would queue for beer, but never water!!
Double over Arsenal.
Double over Leeds.
Four points off Chelsea.
Four points off Southampton.
And, revenge matches to come, against Liverfool, West Ham, Citeh, Manure, Spurs, Villa and the shit.
All this augers well for an exciting run in to season’s end, just a pity fans won’t be allowed in to see it.
And to everyone who says Leeds were better than us, deserved something from the game, blah, blah, blah, cry, weep etc. I say bullshit.
They obviously were not, because we won.
Again, the history books will show 1-0, not who missed sitters, was offside and all the other hard luck sob stories.
If yow dough put the ball in the net, it ay gonna count.
Simples.
I thought we out thought them, out played them and they ran out of ideas, whereas we kept our attack focus in a constant state of flux, chopping and changing positions, giving their defenders a torrid time.
Fair play to Leeds, though, they did not resort to hacking down Traore and Neto, like most other opponents do.
Despite stellar performances from Patricio and Neto, I gotta give MOM to Adama, for his sheer determination to prove me and others wrong.
He seemed much more committed to the cause, and he took his goal superbly.
Yes, I reckon he should be credited with it, coz he made it out of nothing.
And the BT commentator lady, I wish we could have more of her. She seems a breath of fresh air, is knowledgeable, and has valid comments.
Overall, despite the annoying stoppages of Hesgoal, a good solid performance, and a well deserved win.
Perhaps the upcoming opponents will now be a little cagey of us!
Bring on the Toon.
p.s.
Again, thanks for all the well wishes, we are back to normal here, but there are still a lot without power and water, and the grocery store shelves are emptying fast, coz deliveries have been interrupted.
But you have 25 crates of IPA in the garage right? ! Priorities chap. Priorities.
And a dozen boxes of Cadbury’s Creme Eggs!!
My wife says to me ” I don’t know why you buying a Lottery ticket your never going to win ” and I say I not if I don’t buy a ticket I’m defiantly not going to win and this applies to most things in life if you don’t chance your luck your never going to know ak Adama’s goal lucky that it rebounded and hit the keeper yeah but if he hadn’t of took the shot in the first place then luck would not of intervened, I know why people say now you make your own luck.
Great result and deserved I thought just on balance of chances we had. Branford banging on about his goal being disallowed because his foot was offside well, welcome to our world we have been on the end of loads of those decisions Neto Liverpool last season Leicester away but to mention a couple.
Great to see us shooting on sight of goal but just a word of caution it looked like at times we were ignoring Jose as a option and we need to be carefull we don’t play him out of the game.
I don’t know what’s happened to Patico he’s like a leaping Salmon for crosses and getting them my biggest bug bear with him was he was glued to his line don’t know wether Nuno’s had a word with him and worked on them but it’s great to see it has improved his all round game no end.
I’m liking this new aggressive attacking approach from the off my only concern is we need to kill the game with another goal or two we invited Leeds on to us last 20 minutes and it was backs to the wall at times but hopefully with confidence rising by the game we can sort that out.
More of the same against the Geordies…….let’s make more of our own luck…!
I believe that is 4 straight wins over Leeds. That makes up for 1973,1974,1977 and 1982!!
Welcome to the club Bamford. Now you have some idea how we felt after all the VAR decisions that have gone against against us at both ends of the pitch since its introduction. For sure it was a close call, but the linesman’s call (can I still use that term?) was proved correct as VAR ruled it out under current guidelines. Yes – if it had been the other way round my size 11’s would have gone through the bloody screen but as I said earlier Wolves have had more than their fair share of VAR decisions that have gone against us.
The pattern of play was more like our old self but the defensive marking at free kicks and corners was extremely lax at times – especially on Cooper who could have netted a hat trick as the wicked left foot free kicks and corners from Raphinia caused havoc in our defence at times.
Patricio had an absolute blinder and for me was man of the match. Shot/header stopping and clean handling of crosses made his 100th appearance one to remember.
Neto was a real thorn in their defence especially in the first half and it was heartening to see a flurry of goal attempts in particular the Neto effort in the first half that was clawed away by Meslier and the thunderbolt from Traore which deserved a goal in its own right but ended up in the net after that fortunate rebound of Meslier’s back. A touch of fortune long overdue methinks!
Semedo really should have done better with at least one of those gilt edged first half opportunities set up for him with some excellent approach play but lets not be too churlish – we won.
I thought Jose did some good things such as holding the ball up well and trying to create space for himself but he needs a goal and if I could fault Neto just this once he really should have squared the ball when Jose was in yards of space instead of opting to shoot himself. (Has Jose upset Traore and Neto).
Love beating Leeds – I suppose its the history that makes me despise them so much. Don Revie has such a lot to answer for!
Up to 33 points and after Newcastle we really have some humdingers on the horizon. Well you can see it coming can’t you – Nuno to outwit Guardiola again as Wolves end Manchester City’s tremendous run on 2nd March!
Have a good week everyone and lets visit Geordie land with our new found confidence intact and make it 13 points out of 15!
Bedfordshire Old Gold
BOG
Question for fellow bloggers, how much is morgan gibbs white worth.
As Jim Bowen used to say on Bullseye God Bless him……..BFH…….Bus Fair Home.
Sadly he’s another one who has shown loads of promis when he was younger but he never delivered as he got older.
Thought Jim Bowen delivered quite well on Bullseye, in fairness Paul.
I still think he’s got a great career. I just don’t think it will be with us.
More than any of our other players……….in a game of Scrabble.
It could all have gone so horribly wrong last night- West Ham and Liverpool hammerings come to mind- but as others have said, luck evens itself out and comes out in the wash. The harder you work, the more luck you have. I didn’t think Leeds had that much to offer in open play- their threats were from excellent set pieces and how we missed Willy but then you always miss the players not available? The BBC headline took the biscuit- Bamford moaning about VAR when I could see from my settee he was offside, typical crass comments from Bielsa too, Nuno can be tetchy but at least he makes eye contact and the interpreter did not know whether to laugh or cry. He needs lessons in humility from Nuno. So many good performances, even Fabio had the right attitude when he came on. Ask John Richards, he might just need time, you know. Really tough March in prospect so must not get ahead of ourselves just yet, just hoping Dan and Willy are available for the Man City game. Time to put them in their place again, too.
A lot of speculation in the press and financial media services about Chinese govt policy change in investing in overseas sports clubs and divesting back in China. Shareholder in Inter already talking about pulling out. Fosun too mentioned with financial pundits (who are not bothered about football) saying they would not be surprised if Fosun were not the next Chinese conglomerate to divest in their UK investments.
Maybe nothing, but winds of change happening in China?
A shrewd observation Marnhull. I suppose with a country so at odds with the Western world on a variety of controversial subjects such as human rights, political ideology and global warming/air pollution, it’s inevitable the Communist party would throw its dummy out of the pram from time to time. I visited the country for business reasons on a few occasions prior to retirement and was quite apparent that in a country which welcomed a capitalistic approach to generate much needed wealth to support a nation of 1.6 billion but still ruled by a one party Communist system there was bound to be conflict – as highlighted by the problems in Hong Kong.
The only possible saving grace for WWFC is that Fosun has extensive interests in 16 countries so pulling the oars in will take some organising and more importantly- time.
However your observation is certainly food for thought.
BOG
Just add to the discussion. Now the mad twat Trump is gone from the Whitehouse there is a much more rational bloke in charge in Biden. There may be reaching out internationally with this sea change in USA politics. Sorry. A bit boring for a Saturday night.
We might be fellow fanatics when it comes to all things Wolves, but I don’t think we will ever be on the same political page!
I am not going into any kind of debate on politics, just say that I think there could well be another U.S. civil war in the not too distant future!
As long as it is after Wolves have won the European cup six times in a row, I don’t really care!!
Fowb
Ok mate. Lets just agree to disagree. But agree on all things Wolves!
Can’t argue with that!
Friendship and Wolves comes wwwwwaaaayyyyy before politics.
Clive, my mates son married a girl in I think Iowa
5 years ago this may his son was killed outright in a head on crash with a drunk driver going the wrong way on a three laner.
Don’t know why I just told everyone that but my mates son was was a woman’s college football coach with a huge potential Pete Underwood,a huge Charlton athletic fan.
Anyway his dad said that he believed that a civil war was just years away especially with the racial tensions.
Everything is a changing rapidly.
We moan about great Britain but we have such stability that makes it such a safe place to live.
UTW
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Good points BOG. Up until covid hit I did 90% of my work in China, Japan and Asia. Very different ways of looking at and doing business.
Apologies to Cheese, yep your right bit boring for a Saturday.
Especially enjoyed watching Liverpool implode… EBay will be loaded with 2020 shirts, one owner, been a Pool fan all my life… Lol
Fair enough chap.
Much merit in what you say BOG.
Have suspected for some time that the geopolitical shift against the PRC / CCP (started pre covid) and Fosun’s apparent loss of appetite for PL football are not mutually exclusive. As you say Fosun investments are diverse but I think if Guo Guanchang were to be or is being leaned on by XI Jinping or his senior people (I believe that’s his contact level) there is little doubt which way he might jump.
Structural change may well be in the air I for WWFC I feel.
Where is the evidence for Fosun’s loss of Appetite?
Jeff hasn’t been seen in the Queen’s Cantonese for a while. There again, neither have any of us!
Exactly.
I’m not being a smart arse here but I’ve thought this for a while now ever since the unrest and demo’ s in Hong Kong last year.
FOSUN have investments/interests in a lot of Western Companys so dropping them all would be financial suicide but here’s the crux in Wolves case we are not a profit making concern not many football clubs are in fact we are the opersite on the whole football clubs require major investment just to stay afloat never mind compete so it would be not great surprise to anyone if FOSUN decided to drop us from ther portfolio Chinnise government pressure or not.
Paul
You and I both have been on this page for a long time and not made many friends while saying it. But the truth will out and it’s happening in front of our eyes (or not in the case of the latter day invisible man – Jeff Shi).
Let’s just hope that if and when change happens we don’t finish up with another self serving pi!!ock like Morgan.
And we should say thanks for the memories to Fosun.
PJB,
I’ve never really trusted FOSUN I have seen to many owners ride into Wolverhampton with grand plans to make Wolves truly great again still feel the same because you only have to look at City and Chelsea to see they are not serious and what we could be with a committed wealthy owner. What doesn’t help is the fact that we haven’t had much success for best part of forty years so some or most fans see our position now as succes which it is in a way but what about winning something going to the next level don’t think FOSUN are willing to go all out because that would need millions to achieve .
They haven’t pulled out all the stops to take us to that next level and as I have Blogged previously I think they will be gone within 2 years be that of there own verlistion or by pressure from China government.
Paul
With you 100%.
False dawns and broken promises have been the rule rather than the exception. I think probably Sir Jack tried really hard to give it his best shot but didn’t quite have the necessary resources.
I’m more sympathetic to Fosun than you insofar as I believe they came in with real intent and were convinced by their own hype. But over the last couple of years I think they have been wrong footed by a combination of external political factors and the realities of PL economics and it’s reasonable to conclude that the great ambition of a 10 yer ride to regular Champions League status has faded significantly even if they decide to stick with us (or can;’t realise their perceived value of the club).
But let’s hope we’re wrong and there is lots more mileage in this project yet.
So if you are so hostile to Fosun. Who is going to replace them? They have bought a massive sea change to Wolves in the last 5 years. Be careful what you wish for.
Would u well morgan gibbs white this simmer
MGW has certainly not ripped up any trees for us but I think this season he has been unlucky. Sending him on loan to Swansea was an ideal solution for both him and wolves to get him much needed game time. He started well at Swansea and was showing very good form only to get injured. Just as he starts playing again for them he gets recalled by wolves. Just as he gets some game time with us, we change formation and start finding some form as a team. Personally, I’d send him on loan to the championship again next season. If he stays fit and gets a good run of games he could become the player we all want him to be. If the first half of next year doesn’t work, he will probably be sold in January window and sadly, that might be the end of his opportunity to play at the very highest level.
Not sure any of the above posts are hostile to Fosun, certainly not mine. I hope that Fosun and WWFC remain partners for many years to come.
But we have to accept the scenario that the PRC’s current attitude to most things western is decidedly cool and that this may well reflect on Guo and his people and their attitude as to the desirability of owning an English PL football club. So, being realistic there must be question marks over the future. You can’t even keep politics out of football.
It was never for ever and Fosun follow a mixed bag of previous incumbents – in my time the Marshalls, Ireland, Ellis & Finlayson for a week, Doog & the scurrilous Bhattis, Jack Gallagher, good old Sir Jack and then the self serving Scouse git . Imo from the above list only Gallagher, Sir JH and Fosun really deserve a lot of respect.
And all have been no more than custodians of OUR FOOTBALL CLUB.
What next – who knows.
But whoever and whenever, if they serve us as well as Fosun have over the last 5 years I’m sure none of us will have many grounds for complaint.
PRC are unlikely to want to sever ties with their massively lucrative markets. They tried that a thousand years ago and have only just started to recover.
If we do part company it’s more likely they’ll be thrown out.
Can’t see that happening either though.
1, Chinese Communist Party wasn’t running China a thousand years ago
2. Are you following what’s going on with Taiwan and in the South China Sea.?
3. Who exactly is going to throw them out?
4. As pointed out by PaulAD67 WWFC is not a conventional investment for Fosun as it is in effect a loss maker; hence if isn’t a desirable investment for “cultural” reasons it probably loses a lot of it’s attractions.
Agree PRC will defend it’s markets but surely you don’t deny that it is becoming increasingly insular and territorial – see also brewing trade war with Australia. And all this without mentioning Wuhan / covid.
Fosun will follow the Party line, WHATEVER it is.
Not me that started a political column on The Wolves Blog. Bring on Andrew Marr.
If you say so.
My apologies PJB my intent was to pass on a factual piece I read about investments in sports clubs, not in anyway making a political point. Our club owners have been conspicuous in their absence, I was merely offering a though that was it related. Again I apologise.
Note to self.
Avoid politics
Avoid religion
Avoid sex
Avoid, err football.
In fairness when discussing our owners it is necessary to contextualize what is being said and sometimes the political element is unavoidable in advancing the argument. Interesting points made by all contributors above.
MW
No apology needed friend,
Firstly I’m a believer in free speech and wasn’t being critical and secondly I don’t think it’s possible to ignore the political factor in the current situation at WWFC.
And yes Fosun are very quiet aren’t they. I refer to Jeff Shi in a post above as the latter day invisible man.
Cheers PJB. This why I love this blog.
He was spotted at Chorley PJB. I recall Tim Spiers posting a picture of Jeff in the stands with the caption “At least in 35 years time I can say I was at Chorley ” Which was quite amusing.
Very droll!
Anyway I very much doubt whether he’s even in the country.
There are bigger forces at work in the world at the moment for example Indian China conflict in the last month Indian troops repelled China Troops on ther border with Tibet which by the way China has occupied for years now forcing the deli larma into excel.
Then there is the tension with Japan and Taiwan and the U.S. which has in the last month sent a battle group to the South China Sea the keep it open for commercial traffic then there’s Hong Kong which the British government pissed off China by reconisging the rights of the Pro Democtricy demos……. Wake up peps there are bigger darker forces at work which all comes back to each and every one of our doors and that includes Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Interestingly Chelsea fans noticed a dip in spending and speculation Abramavich would sell up when UK protested at the Murder of excelled Russian in London British government blamed Putin there was talk amongst Chelsea fans he was being put under pressure to pull out by Russian government.
We cannot hide from what’s happening in the world and think it will not affect us in some way.
The tension is not between Japan, Taiwan and the U.S. They are allies it is China that is trying to taken over the South China Sea and stop western commercial and military sea traffic.
Avoid football?
Going down the poorthorns then, are you?
Ha ha
Quote: But we have to accept the scenario that the PRC’s current attitude to most things western is decidedly cool.
Little as I like to comment on politics on a football blog, I have to say it’s more that the West have taken against all things Chinese. Not that I’ve been to China, so I really don’t know what they say about us. And I don’t really know how much of what we say about them is actually true.
I wonder how much money that Star Wars guy has. He’s supposed to be a fan.
Spot-on as usual Cheese. Many who, ridiculously in my opinion, overlook all the investments made by Fosun. Taking Wolves from an average, very average, Championship plodders to genuine EPL status and it’s too early to dismiss the possibility of a top seven finish. Whichever mythical super rich entity decide to invest in a football team in an unglamorous part of Europe it will still have to abide by FFP rules.
Sell sorry
Something. Isn’t right in training yet with Jose. They don’t trust him. They don’t pass to him. He needs to get involved somehow.
Jack Harris never really got the credit he deserved for stablelizing our Club though desperate times before Sir Jack stepped in when we were back in the old second division.
Your right Hugh Jack Harris put in thousands of pounds of his own money in before Jack Hayward came along he kept Wolves going on his own great shame he’s not given the same credit .
And Mr Holden remember him Jack Harris’s partner that money purchased Steve Bull and Andy Thompson.
Who???
Oh, that nowadays commentator with Mikey Burrows.
It’s not a correction Colehill Wolf…… but it was Dick Homden who steered the steamship WWFC through the choppy waters of the mid eighties …
Just saying…
No probs nearly got the name correct feel ashamed as he lent me his box in the then John Ireland stand several times lovely chap.
Far as I’m aware Jack Harris (I had forgotten him) was pretty anonymous. Sir Jack, God Bless him, is often heralded as our saviour, But in truth he didn’t exactly “step in”. The real architect of our survival was Jack Gallagher who along with Wton Council did a tripartite deal with Asda and he hung around for a couple of years keeping the club going until SJH got his act together. At the time he stated that whilst he was primarily in it for the Asda development he was delighted to rescue The Wolves short term as part of it.
But you are correct that at some point Harris did play a sort oh caretaker roll and I apologise for passing over his contribution.
“Jack” Gallagher was a centre forward.
“He’s fat, He’s round, He’s worth a million pound”
This one was MD of J. Gallagher Construction during the1980’s, he wasn’.t fat and was worth a lot more than a million pounds.
Sounds like Robert Taylor….
A quick shout out to Jota and Doherty who moved to ‘another level ‘ to win some medals ,,,,,,,
I for one am still massively appreciative of the impact and changes nuno and fosin have had to wolves and certainly won’t be wetting my pants about what may or may not happen if they move on.
Life is too short to worry about maybes, we are 5 years into a ten year plan and if I’m not wrong, ahead of schedule, what’s not to like ?
The seed you plant this morning, isn’t the fruit you eat this afternoon
Be patient
Stay humble
Never give up
I think I read that on a Chinese cracker somewhere
Utw
Tsai Chin.
Anybody remember her?
She was a Chinese cracker.
Its not often I wish I was a Piano.
I bet she could play many a tune with those stilettos.
Going back to football talk, I haven’t picked up the “Fosun baling out” thread although I have commented on Jeff Shi’s silence when I thought we needed some reassurance. As I see it, Wolves are good for Fosun and if they decide to sell it will be for a profit and to an organisation that wants to invest in Wolves as a viable Premier League club with a European ambition.
I love Willy Boly but that is two seasons running that he has missed chunks of games. We miss him but it means points lost for all his defensive quality and he will score a few. The shopping list for the summer needs to include another one like him, plus a new midfield specialist and deals for Ait Nourri and Willian with no first team departures.
Well great stuff today. Vile lost. Greasy is out for a month including the March 6th reckoning at Villa Park. Our chance to show who are top dogs in West Midlands. And re establish ‘Mind the gap. Mind the gap Aston Villa. Mind the gap .Mind the gap I say….” FWAW.
Wow
Is this group of bloggers needing something to worry about now we all think we won’t get relegated??
If it’s not the geopolitics of China and Jeff’s absence from local restaurants it will soon be the risk of nuclear war…
Me?
I’m ok with stuffing we all hate Leeds twice
Oh and Gunners
Now let’s focus on Geordies before we administer the coup de grace to Sandwell
Still still think 55-56 points doable and more importantly the team playing with fluency, aggressively and with style
The reasons to succeed are in place
Let’s enjoy and stop being worry worts
Nuclear War!!???
Oh No.
Never thought of that until you mentioned it.
I’m not going to sleep tonight and I think I’ve just spotted a grey hair in the mirror!
To go with the other two on your head!!
I velly like blog. Me like Wolv-Hampton. Me go no where. Me instluct Jeff Shi dosh velly much available for player. Love people on blog. No need wully. No wully at all. Yours faithflee. Chairman Guo.
Clive’s English has improved.
MRS GUANCHANG !…that steak i had last night was rubbery !
ah fank u velly much .
You no like fortune cookie?
Eat fuckin’ fortune cookie!!
Name the movie.
Me anglee Mrs Guo. She mess alound with Jeff Shi. Me instluct Triad. She no good cook. Always make rice taste like Lats. Me hate Lats. Vermin. Me instluct Wolf Pack . Hunt plopper steak off Wildebeest. I get Mayflower Lesteraunt up Sedgley to cook. Mrs Guo sacked.
Thank dog for google translate, who says racism stereotypes and humour are so 1970’s.
Doherty to be sold by Tottenham !! Have him back tomorrow at a heavily
discounted price !
Nah.
He wanted to go, apparently, so let him sit on their bench, not ours, and pick up his inflated salary.
And if he did come back, what sort of negative message would that send to the rest of our players?
Looks like him and Jota gonna miss out on European footie next season, if there is one, as well, while the mighty Wanderers are steadily climbing the table.
I Know who would have wet knickers to see Doherty back, Mrs Lord Twix!!
Gotta admit I thought The Doc was/is a good footballer. Can pick a pass. Gets forward down the right wing . Comes up with some great goals. Gets on the end of crosses. Might have a sneaky consideration of him coming back home. Only consideration now is big wages at Spurs. Pay cut. Plus he is starting to get on a bit. But certainly out there ?
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NEVER have them back. Said the same about Dicko, Afobe and Sako. Where are they now. And look what we have done without them.
I very much doubt that it will happen, BUT…
I would have Doherty back like a shot.
He might have had the occasional defensive frailty but he scores goals and he provides them.
His replacement, so far, has shown only one of those characteristics.
He gets on with Nuno, fits in with our style of play and was part of The Pack for years.
He’s bound to be available for less than we sold him and for much less than half of what we paid for his replacement.
In the words of the great philosopher Confucious:-
“It’s a no blainer!”.
Agreed, I loved the Doc too but his legs had gone last season and he would be on the bench in place of Hoever? Matt needs regular football, a move to the Champ with a quality side would maybe best suit him imo.
Agree Doog 8 goal and I think 10 assists in his last season with us says it all that’s why Muron decided to buy him.
None of his replacements have come close to that tally.
No brainier I’m with you on this one. Not bad for someone who’s legs have gone….!
The issue is not necessarily about Doc coming back but whether Nuno reconsiders his small squad idea. After this season’s experiences it would seem obvious that the squad needs to be bigger in quantity and better in quality. If we are serious about a top six label ( Well Jeff, let’s hear from you, are we?) then the first XI needs some quality additions to make the bench stronger.
BG, agree totally spot on well written thought out. If we don’t Learn the lessons of this season regarding recruitment and size and quality of the squad we’ll never learn.
And this brings into question FOSUN ambition and what direction they want to go more of the same buy them young hope they come good and sell them on and hope we stay in the Premier League at the same time or build a squad that’s strong and big enough to compete with the top six………guess we will find out this summer not holding my breath on the latter.
The main obstacle in trying to build a bigger and better squad to compete with the ‘top six’ is the FFP rules. To break the rules is effectively impossible. There is no evidence to suggest that Fosun aren’t prepared to spend as much money as these rules allow. The main way to make progress with the quality of the squad is the shrewd buying and selling of players. A significant part of this is buying promising younger players who it is hoped can be developed so that they increase in value.
And sell them when they come good which means you have to start all over again and never really go to the next level because you keep selling your best player and round and round we go .
2 x 4 treated pine supports underneath will make the bench stronger, all the better for some fat arses to get splinters!!
We took Afobe back, and that lasted all of 18 days, I believe.
If Doherty was up to snuff, and Jota, to be honest, then by crook and by look, Dr. Nuno would have kept them somehow.
The grass is obviously not whiter or redder on the other side of the Thames and the Mersey, is it boys?
What’s it like to not play regularly?
If you wanted regular non football, you should have gone to sandwell.
Fowb
What’s it like not to play regularly?
A lot easier on the knees, I find nowadays.
And as Elvis Costello once said – “I don’t want to go to sandwell!”
Or am I getting confused again?
Pretty sure Jota is injured, not benched.
BG and Paul- Without wishing to state the obvious, bringing back Doc will largely depend on the financials. There would be no point buying him unless we get him for a fraction of what we sold him for as we have recycled his sale elsewhere. Selling marcal on (who appears injury prone) and recycling the money into a season long loan for Doc would make sense but I’m sure Spurs will be keen to agree a guaranteed buy back that we would probably not want. The other factor is whether mourinho stays at Spurs so Doc might simply bide his time until a new manager appears and offers a fresh start. All in all, even if everything aligns, it would still be a difficult deal to do so I would suggest this won’t go anywhere.
A bigger, stronger bench requires money, both to buy and maintain (wages). We’ve pushed our FFP limits over the last couple of seasons to get us where we are so whether Fosun are prepared to throw money at us or not is a moot point. Hence the focus or bringing in young players who may well, or may not, turn out to be cheap at the price in a couple of years time.
Until Fosun are able to increase our commercial income from around the world, slow and steady progress is all we can really hope for. Frankly, I’m fine with that.
Even if other teams pass us by? Can’t they spend 35 million more than they bring in?
I believe, Tim, that FFP is based on a three year period. Not just one.
Wolfstroker
It doesn’t matter how many times you bang some people over the head with this logic,,,,,
It doesn’t sink in .
Utw
spot on wolfie.
it doesnt matter if the owner has six thousand trillion billion quid in the bank .
if the club turns over a tenner you get to spend whatever the percentage is of that.
The FFP rules are stiffling the growth of clubs like Wolves that’s bearing in mind the owner wants to pump millions pounds in.
The question I have or should I say resavation is would FOSUN do that if the FFP rule wasn’t there. The other thing is teams like City and Chelsea had to star t some where they didn’t have global appeal big commercial income until they started pumping millions into the team and winning trophies.
How are we supposed to get bigger commercially if we are not winning trophies its the chicken and egg scenario you cannot increase your income if you are not successful on the pitch and to get successful on the pitch takes major investment.
Generating bigger income globally will only happen when we are on the world stage competing in Champions League competing at the top end of the Premier League that’s not going to happen finishing 7th as good as that is.
The big company’s pay a fortune to sponsor clubs like Liverpool, City, Utd and Chelsea because they win trophies and get all the exposure in the media which gets there sponsors into people’s living rooms lap tops, TV’s and Mobile phones.
Winners get all the limelight and coverage is as simple as that.
You have to look at any other business and FFP would not be allowed because it discriminates against growth and investment and with FOSUN clout they should have the balls to challenge them at the Sports Abetration like City did………that’s if they are really serious about WWFC.
Because sooner or later a owner of a club wil.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29361839
9. Is there just one form of FFP?
No. The Premier League has brought in its own form of financial regulation which is not as stringent as Uefa’s FFP.
Clubs cannot make a loss in excess of £105m across the 2013-14, 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons (as with FFP, investment in infrastructure and youth development is exempt).
Any club that posts losses in excess of that figure could face severe penalties, including a points deduction.
Unless you are Citeh, who stuck two fingers up at the rules, and basically got a little wrist slap.
Who is to say our wonderful Fosun are not prepared to do the same?
As Confucius one said, Softee, softee, catchee monkey.
Good for City.
You’ll have to speak English Tim are you saying FOSUN could not blow £200 million on players if they wanted to because we don’t bring in enough to cover that amount.
Why cannot FOSUN like Abramavich and City owners did put there own money in no questions asked and no return, why Carnot wealthy owners invest there own money in there clubs with no strings attached. that’s In business your speculate to acunilate.
As I’ve said City and Chelsea’s owners started from scratch got into Premier League then invested there money in the team got success which in turn meant more revenue.
I bet you one thing City and Chelsea are still spending more on players and wages than what’s coming in.
BBC has reported new Chelsea manager to be given £260 for summer transfer budget Chelsea don’t seem to be bother about FFP rules……..or is one rule for some….?
Next season we will be half way through the ten year master plan.
To be fair Chelsea would probably get Thomasz Frankowski for £260. Or 4th Division prime Ray Hankin.
a whole £260 ??????? new tea lady then
Could we not raise £260 from all bloggers to Match it , can’t believe Chelsea owner has spent 430 million for his latest yacht but can only manage £260 for his team.
Poor Patrick Bamford must have been appalled at the Ref/VAR decisions last night. As a champion of right and fair decisions and and a devout opponent of VAR he must be so angry that Southampton had a penalty ultimately denied and a goal crossed off for apparently taking a free-kick to quickly.
Yet strangely his silence is deafening.
I was as disappointed with Nuno’s cup selection as anybody. But watching Southampton slide down the table with a continuing run devoid of wins, you can’t help wondering if things are sometimes a little less clear than we think at the time.
NASA are to send their astronauts for training at The Poorthorns. It’s the only place on Earth with no atmosphere!
Brilliant Cheesy…….!
In my never ending quest to get a rounded view on things, I clicked on this and found a witty piece from a talented, though generally fed up, writer.
https://true-faith.co.uk/match-preview-newcastle-united-v-wolverhampton-wanderers/
A great read during what seems a long week between games. Always good to hear how others see our progress, we get so caught up in our Wolves bubble. His perceptive comments on Nuno are very good, spot on when he describes ‘ passive aggression’ in interviews. Tetchy and sometimes awkward, in old money terms. A draw will be a good result with a Nuno masterclass at City on Tuesday to burst their bubble.
That’s brilliant Wolf, love the comments about ‘a beard you could hide a weasel in’ well written and very complimentary indeed.
Paul AD67, Tim et al in the FFP discussion – my two pennyworth.
FFP is a misnomer, it’s anything but fair, completely the reverse.
Jeff The Now Invisible also pointed out about 2 years ago that clubs like us are being stifled deliberately by using profit rather than capital investment as the yardstick. So basically if you play by the rules you are automatically constrained from developing the club as you have a chicken and egg situation.
There are a whole host of clubs in Europe like Wolves being held back by the self serving, self appointed Uefa favoured Big 12 (roughly) and we all know who they are. They make the rules to ensure their own agenda and maintain the cartel’s status quo. It’s very hard to see anyone outside this clique ever winning the Champions League again so now they want to cement their closed shop with their Euro Super League.
I can only envisage the reaction of those clubs (including probably 3 in the UK) and several more on the fringes in Italy, Spain, Germany and top clubs elsewhere (eg Legia Warsaw, Porto )who think they are “super” but don’t get to go to the party. Which is why it probably won’t ever happen.
So to the Glazers and Fenway get back into your little Ship Canal bubble.
And my advice to Fosun if you want to stay with the WWFC project in earnest is to do what Man. City and Chelsea before them have done and stick two fingers up at both the PL and Uefa and hire the best corporate lawyers around. Because in any international court the whole cartel concept would fall flat on it’s anti trust face.
But Wolves can spend 105 million more over 3 years according to the PL, and get two or three top players. Then worry about getting into Europe after the team has been strengthened.
They may have to wait to get into the European competitions but they would be fighting for the top 4 of the Premier League instead of hoping to get 7th.
Tim
You are better informed than me but I’ll take your word for it. If that’s the case I think I’d spend the money and worry later. It’s all going to look a bit silly if say they finish second and then aren.t allowed to play under the Uefa regs. Farcical actually.
PJB,
That’s want I cannot work out a corporate multi national company like FOSUN are scared of the Premier League and UEFA.
No Court in the land would up hold these discriminating rules and as you say and I have said surely a company as big as FOSUN could afford to employ the best Lawyers to kick these rules out……if and this is were my doubts about FOSUN come from……..they wanted to.
Also as you have mention other clubs don’t seen concerned City, Chelsea, Liverppool, Utd funny that how the top six are allowed to get away with it but even Everton have joined the club now.
When you look at Fosun’s NET SPEND of £200 million om players in 4 years then “moneybags Wolves” claimants look a bit stupid don’t they?
And Fosun’s initial investment of £38 million has multiplied around 10 fold.
And don’t let’s forget the profits from their 20% holding in Gestitute.
And to those who say I’m anti Fosun I am completely the opposite but I do like to deal in facts,
So far so good, but this has always been a 2 way arrangement and to attain the next level then the ante in on the field investment needs a serious rethink upwards.
PJB, I’m not better informed than you but that seems to be what the rules are. How can Uefa take points away from you if you are following your league rules?
If you are a team in the lower parts of the Premier League, how does worrying about Uefa keeping you out of their leagues make sense? You aren’t going to qualify for them anyway. Maybe that is what Villa are doing and they will be excluded from Europe even if they qualify.
Didn’t they spend a lot of money last summer or the previous one?
All I know Tim if I was in FOSUN’s position or should I say had there wealth and owned WWFC I would move heaven and earth to kick FFP into touch. I’d take The Premier League and UEFA to the cleaners.
Because I’m a supporter I was lucky enough to be born and breed into everything Gold and Black till die…!
It’s interesting to think Few years ago well more than a few years ago there was talk of a draft system along the lines of the NFL where the so called lesser clubs had first pick of the talent also a wage cap to encourage a more compete and even Premier League.
But as with everything the so called big clubs through there dummies out there prams and got there way and the idea consigned to the bin.