Big Plans

For those of you that haven’t read about this yet, Wolves have unveiled their plans for redeveloping Molineux in order to improve facilities and increase the capacity to 36,000+.

You can read the official notes about this on the Wolves site here:

http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/News/0,,10307~2060349,00.html

Inside the new Molineux

In essence, there are four phases to the build:

Phases 1 & 2

These first two phases, which will hopefully be completed by the start of the 2014/15 campaign (4 years time roughly) will see the Steve Bull and Stan Cullis stands effectively knocked down and replaced with shiny new ones.

I suppose the big news here is that the Stan Cullis becomes a two tier rather than a traditional ‘Kop’ as it were. Work on this stand is top of the agenda and is scheduled to begin at the end of the forthcoming 2010/2011 campaign.

They’re also building a corner stand in between the new Stan Cullis and the Steve Bull, where away supporters will be located. I should imagine this will be music to the ears of people in the South Bank who hate giving up their seats. I for one welcome this, as I’ve always felt the away supporters get far too big a chunk of Molineux, particularly when they fill the lower Steve Bull.

Phase 2, as explained by the club ‘will see the Steve Bull (East) Stand being rebuilt over a two-season period (2012/13 and 2013/14), scheduled to be ready for the start of the 2014/15 season. However, it is hoped a significant number of seats will be released during the 2013/14 season for home supporters. When this is finished the capacity will be 36,000.’

Phase 3

This optional third phase will see the Jack Harris having it’s roof taken off and a second tier added to the stand.

Phase 4

Finally, a complete redevelopment of the Billy Wright, but only if, as it it states on the official release, ‘if additional seats are required’. I’m guessing they won’t be with the ground pushing towards a 40,000 capacity anyway, so if this does happen it surely won’t be for a very long time to come.

I’ll be very interested to learn how the club cope with a reduced capacity whilst this work is taking place. Jez Moxey has alluded to the idea that Season Ticket holders will be looked after first and foremost, so at a guess, I’m thinking less tickets will be given to away supporters and less will be allocated to people who pick and choose their matches. Whatever the plan, I’m sure a significant number won’t be very happy.

So anyway, enough of me rambling on, what do we all think of these plans?

Comments

  1. Nathan Lloyd says:

    Absolutely love it. Obviously a lot depends on our league status, but as a resident of the Steve Bull stand, it will be marvellous to actually get close enough to the action that I can work out who is kicking the ball!

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  2. dboy says:

    Slightly anonymous design. Not sure how they got to the point that the masts were already ‘iconic’ as on the Wolves site.

    Everything else is fantastic though. Will make for a great matchday atmosphere.

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  3. andrewwfc says:

    Looks amazing, slightly concerned that as a non-season ticket holder it might make tickets more difficult to come by for a couple of seasons though.

    Any ideas what they’re calling the new corner stand?

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  4. Mark Bates says:

    Gotta love the plans!! Just lets get the right players to ensure we stay up first.

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  5. Neil says:

    Don’t like it. What does Steve Morgan know about construction!?

    Seriously, looks great (though these things always look good in architect’s plans), and though it’ll be short term pain in a reduced capacity, hopefully it’ll be worth it. Scary that the Hayward funded redevelopment will be twenty years ago soon.

    If the Billy Wright is kept out of the redesign then at least the pitch won’t be totally enclosed on all sides – having no air circulating, as happens with stadiums with all corners filled in, can be a problem for the surface.

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  6. Dazza in Brisbane says:

    The most important thing regarding all this, is that we must retain our PL status for it all to come to fruition. I’m old enough to have heard all this talk before…call me an old cynic , but…Harry Marshall anyone? Be interesting to see how the transfer “warchest” is managed if we do start this very ambitious plan.

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  7. Dazza in Brisbane says:

    I’ve already got this vision of Hartlepool at home in front of 5,000 fans sat in the one completed stand, vying for hot Bovril from the two kiosks out of 25 syill open. Being able to see all the traffic on the ring road whilst losing 3-0 on a bitterly cold December Saturday …..

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    • Fortunately Dazza, being in Brisbane, the chances of that becoming a reality for you are minimal, unless you go mental and decide to return to Ol’ Blighty

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    • Clive from Houston says:

      Didn’t know Hartlepool had 5000 fans.
      And when are they gonna get in the Prem?
      Have faith………………Moxey and The Cowardly Lion know what they are doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      And if you believe that, I got some oceanfront property for sale in Arizona.
      FOWB

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  8. Kwolf says:

    2 tiers on the north bank? Do you think we’ll finally be able to hear them after all this time?

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    • Clive from Houston says:

      That, my friend, needs a retort.
      Back in the days of yore, and I’m talking about before all these namby pamby seats were installed, the South Bank could be full to capacity, and the North bank choir would still be vastly superior in noise level, originality of song and more passionate than any other part of the ground.
      The only time that changed was when United came and took over the North Bank about 2 hours before kick off, and the scum threw darts and sharpened pennies (the old, big ones) at us.
      Forest tried that as well, but we all massed below, and charged up all the entrances at once, got behind them, and kicked the bastards onto the pitch, where they had to go and hide in the South Bank.
      That was in November 1969, Knocker Knowles last game for us……………very sad, and I’ll never forgive those fuckers from Jehovah and all their Witnesses.
      Hope they find ‘em guilty.
      Anyway, I digress.
      The North Bank Choir was always the heart and soul of The Mol, so don’t get deriding it now, like all good things, it will rise again!!!!
      FOWB

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  9. Kwolf says:

    Clive that was then. I’m sick of the North Bank dining off the noise it made more than 2 generations ago. The south bank IS the club imo. The fact we attack the north bank still in the 2nd half is frankly ridiculous.
    Deal with it ;)

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    • Clive from Houston says:

      I is obvious you aint been watching the Wolves for long.
      Do you remember Steve Bull?
      He is part of our history, in fact basically it was his goals that saved our beloved club, not that many years ago.
      We have well over 100 years of history and tradition, and that is what binds us older generations, scattered all over the world, together.
      If it were not for the likes of Bully, and lots others, we would have no club, no history, no tradition, and no Wolves blog for inanities.
      Traditions are mostly symbolic, but every club must have them, coz they stem from something in the past that was important.
      Deal with that.
      FOWB

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  10. Rich says:

    It’s actually going to be 50,000 once finished. Fantastic plans, though it means having 20,000 crowds for a while but i’d sooner that than move. The year with no South Bank will be tough and quiet, but it’ll be worth it when it’s finished. Just hope we can survive the next few years.

    Well done to Moxey and Morgan on this one.

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  11. Kowloon Wolf says:

    Very nice! The Mol as it currently stands is a bit on the ‘drafty’ side, and any stadium with the corners filled in gets twice the atmosphere in my opinion (at the expense though of problems getting enough light to the pitch). Here’s hoping it all goes ahead.

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  12. Stourbridge Wolf says:

    Cant wait for the work to begin – at least this time we have someone involved who knows about construction.

    The current management wont be @rsed with using a local firm, but will look for expertise in building stadiums and costs – makes perfect sense when you think about it, doesn’t it Sir Jack!?!

    My only fear is the impact if we were to lose our Premier league status come the end of next season/season after. What will happen then? Will the plans be shelved?

    Also hope it wont effect my chances of renewing my TPS and picking additional games – but I guess it probably will. Maybe this is just the angle I need to get a season ticket past the EPO (Enjoyment Prevention Officer), sorry I mean the wife!

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  13. Whilst it will undoubtedly lack the character of the old Molineux like all modern stadiums do, this looks to be a well thought out design. Obviously aimed predominantly at allowing the club to improve other income streams (loads more corporate suites for matchdays, conference/banquet rooms for non-football related activities) it does give the club and the city a stadium to be very proud of.

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  14. Stourbridge Wolf says:

    I know a stoke fan that calls the Mol ‘The Custard bowl!’ – at least now it can only leak out at two of the corners!

    PS – After watching their games this season I now refer to their ground as ‘The theatre of sh*te’

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  15. Stourbridge Wolf says:

    Guedioura made his international debut last night against the Republic – looks like we could have two players at the world cup! Hope he puts one in the top corner against England (but that we still win obviously!)

    See Villa are being linked with Carlton Cole again too – all these clubs must see something I miss. They already have a massive front man that can’t score goals, what do they need another one for?

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    • Dazza in Brisbane says:

      Carlton Cole is one of the better strikets around, because let’s face it, apart from Drogba, Rooney and Torres…who else is there? There is a complete d’eath of quality strikers, when i was a kid every team had international class forwards. They call it progress apparently.

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      • Stourbridge Wolf says:

        You must see something I dont Dazza.

        Bent, Defoe, Anelka, Malouda, Berbatov, Sahar, Agbonlahor, Adebayor and Tevez scored more than Cole (he got ten last season). Doubt Villa could sign any of the listed players though!

        If I was shopping with their budget I’d prefer a punt on Rodallega or Bellamy I think.

        I hate Cole from his loan spell at the Wolves – he was sent home as he couldn’t be arsed to turn up for training on time! (he’d make an excellent room mate for Zubar/Big George now I come to mention it!

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    • Milijas, Guediora and Hahnemann. Isn’t that three?

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      • Nick Dalton says:

        That is 3, don’t think hanemann is going to play much though. Didn’t Guediora play right back the other night against Ireland, unless they’ve got a couple of quality midfielders I’m not aware of, surely he’s wasted there. Can’t believe Rigobert Song got into the Cameroon team ahead of Elekobi.

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    • t'OM says:

      I hope he puts one in the top corner and England lose…

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  16. Dazza in Brisbane says:

    oh…and looks like BCI has fooked off to Burnley. Hope he doers well, he was always more than happy to spend time with teh fans , have chat, sign stuff in perth last year.Good on ya Chris!

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    • Louie says:

      He was really good in that first half of the season. He couldn’t carry it on, and was never going to be good enough for this league

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      • t'OM says:

        Couldn’t carry it on had something to do with injury…

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        • Louie says:

          …..and not being very good.

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          • t'OM says:

            I don’t think that’s quite fair Louie. I agree I don’t think he’s very effective at this level, but he was a real handful against CCC clubs.

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            • Louie says:

              Of course he was always a handful, and he’s definitely good enough for the CCC. I just mean in terms of quality, he just isn’t good enough. In the Prem, he was dealt with very easily when I saw him. Against Fulham, he came on for us to kick it up to him but he won it about once out of six/seven times while Doyle won everything when he was there. I don’t think he was clever enough.

              Still, he had his part in getting us up so I thank him!

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  17. Kwolf says:

    Thanks for the history lesson Clive. None of that argues the point that we should attack the NB 2nd half though. If anything talking about Bully makes my point for me. I’m pretty sure Bully never played in front of the old NB. Those times have gone. Deal with it.

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    • Clive from Houston says:

      You make my point for me, actually.
      If you don’t know if Bully attacked the North Bank, methinks you are still in your first few seasons of watching the Wolves.
      Have a look back over the blogs of recent weeks, where I warned everyone that I am the master of piss taking, and with no football about, anything and anyone is fair game.
      You it would seem have set yourself up as my first target, although to be fair, it will only be practise, some are too easy!!!!
      Have a nice day!!!, and don’t forget, it’s nothing personal, so keep it clean.
      FOWB

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  18. The 4th phase seems to be the one that will increase capacity most. Why not do it first? Then you will have more seats available during the other development phases.
    What is the logic in the order of development?

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    • Dazza in Brisbane says:

      Wolves and logic have never gone hand in hand

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    • Rich says:

      I suppose it’s because we don’t want to be stuck with a 50,000 stadium if we go down. Saying that, having one half finished would look pretty shit. Let’s just hope we stay up, ay?

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  19. Nick Dalton says:

    It’ll be interesting to see how moxey deals with having to move season ticket holders out of their seats whilst stands are being rebuilt. I reckon whatever he does he’ll get slated for it. Anyone else feel it’s going to have a negative affect on the atmosphere in the stadium whilst they’re knocking stands down and rebuilding them. Loving the plans though, lets hope we stay up and they all get seen through.

    A lot of my non wolves supporting friends say that Molineux is one of their favourite grounds though, it’s pretty unique and it’ll be a shame if it turns into a standard-boring ground. I suppose it doesn’t matter what the ground looks like as long as we can carry on improving on the pitch.

    I’m surprised Clive hasn’t had a rant yet about how in his day everyone used to pile into a massive shed like stand with dirty stinking toilets, no seats and no balti pies on sale. Surely the loss of teraces is another victim of the new corporate, family friendly, over financed shit football that we all have to endure.

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    • Stourbridge Wolf says:

      Pie and a pint and shut the f*ck up approach?

      Your right, what ever the plan there will be a stink.

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    • Rich says:

      It’ll definitely affect the atmosphere, imagine the season with no south bank! I think the fans should keep in mind why they’re being shifted about, andd think about the final outcome.

      The problem with our ground is that it’s too far away from the pitch. I’m glad we’ll be able to shove the away fans in the corner too.

      As for standing, i think Hillsborough showed we had to move forward. It was only a matter of time before another battered old ground crumbled. But Germany have made safe standing work. I just don’t think we’ll ever see it over here because of said disaster.

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    • Scooped says:

      I’m not exactly Moxeys number one fan but I dont think he will get any flack over temporary arrangements. Why should he? Only the most miserable, mean minded person could object to temporary upheaval during the proposed re-development.
      We had it before when Sir Jack rebuilt the old Mol and we all coped quite happily then. In fact it was a real thrill to see the new stadium emerging from the wreckage of the old and the anticipation of seeing what progress had occurred since the last visit added to the excitement of every home match (or trip to Asda).
      As for safe standing areas, thats something I’d love to see as the atmosphere and noise would benefit greatly from them.
      But stinking toilets would be wasted on Clive who I seem to remember spending all of one half-time queuing up for a piss, finally getting to the solitary urinal and not being able to perform!!!! Priceless!

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    • Clive from Houston says:

      Me?
      Rant?
      How dare you!!
      Massive shed?
      dirty stinking toilets?
      No seats?
      No balti pies?
      You must be living in dreamland, conditions were never that good!!!
      But, at least we had a team we could be proud of, who could play a bit.
      How could one ever forget John Holsgrove, Dave Woodfield, Terry Wharton and all the other never to be remembered heros?
      And what is a balti pie?
      In them days, it was a skinful of ale in the Tiger, a game of pool with Ada and Pat Banks, and off to the match with 10 minutes to spare, fight our way to our regular handrail, and then stand cross legged for the first half, bostin’ for a piss.
      We didn’t need no stinkin’ pies!!!
      The new stadium will be a massive success.
      See, y’all thought I was going to slag it off, didn’t ya??

      It’s gonna be good for all concerned, and it will give us something else to talk about instead of criticising the team, the manager and the board.
      FOWB

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  20. Dazza In Brisbane says:

    Does anyone really belive we will end up with this completed? a 50,000 all seater? Firstly, where are all teh extra fans going to come from, and, will we stay up long enough to warrant it? Looking at the players so far mooted…Van Danne, Fletcher, N’Daw…looks like we are aiming to be bottom 6 again next season. Follow this through four or five years, and hoping we are lucky enough to survive this period, would 50,000 really want to see perpetual relegation avoidance?

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    • Kowloon Wolf says:

      Yep, I see your point Dazza. We’ll be infamous. 50,000 avid watchers of our “out and out” 4-5-1 formation roar with approval game after game as we show true grit and perspiration in battling to another nil-nil draw on a pitch that resembles the Somme.

      Can’t wait! I’ll fly from HK every game just to be there. I’ll be stood at the back. In one of the new corner stands. With a pointy hat on.

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      • t'OM says:

        I don’t think that’s fair. This season was about survival. If we are to improve the football will improve too (I think we’ll be more of a Wigan than a Bolton) which will hopefully win over some fans.

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  21. Dazza In Brisbane says:

    I just reckon it’s all PR, we only really need about 35000 capacity, which, even in teh glory days, we struggled to surpass. So, when we only get phases 1 and 2 built, the Management team will look like heroes. Spin, spin and more spin.I’d rather we sign 4 or 5 good quality players than invest in this bullshit

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    • t'OM says:

      Daz I think that’s the beauty of the plan. It is in phases so shows vision whilst being pragmatic.

      IF we can build ourselves into a position like Everton/Villa are now (which I think is realistic with 10 years of success) then phase 3. Once we are there and need to build, then we’ll consider bigger.

      It is important to remember this is all contingent on on field success. We are in a solid position (debt/wage bill) and so it is possible. Nothing worse though than a 40 000 seater in the CCC (did they get a new sponsor in that league?)

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